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Gerhard L. Weinberg is emeritus professor of history at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and the author of A World at Arms: A Global History of World War II (Cambridge University Press, 1994).
1 posted on 12/11/2013 5:51:00 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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Amtrak trains would have run on time, and you’d never hear about Hussein Soetero!


2 posted on 12/11/2013 5:52:58 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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Hitler would have had to take Mexico and force them to fight us. They would have lost anyway but if they had tried to put German soldiers on American soil the bodies would have piled so high they he would have been driven from power.


4 posted on 12/11/2013 5:55:18 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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I always thought that Japan and Germany had a mutual defense treaty which required either one to declare war if any country declared war on either.


5 posted on 12/11/2013 5:57:19 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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Not unlike Montana attacking the US. Germany is about the size of Montana.


9 posted on 12/11/2013 5:59:28 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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I remember back in the 60’s I think a magazine, Life or Look I think, printed a rather half baked plan for the invasion of the United States and there was a map how Germany and Japan would divide the country, basically the Pacific Coast and Mountain West going to Japan.


10 posted on 12/11/2013 5:59:38 PM PST by colorado tanker
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Interesting, but nothing new. Hitler would rather have fought the U.S. while it was in a two-front war, hence he waited for the right moment. The U.S. up until our current traitorous administration has maintained since then the need to be able to engage in a two-front war.


12 posted on 12/11/2013 6:00:48 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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The pro German sentiment in this country was a lot greater than you would think from reading the books. There was not a strong desire to go to war with Germany.

Although we would have inevitably gone to war against Germany, I wonder how long it would have taken had Germany not declared war on the US.


14 posted on 12/11/2013 6:03:16 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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The V weapons were the obvious solution to his problem
fortunately his clock ran out.


17 posted on 12/11/2013 6:06:27 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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Wilson dragging us into WWI was such a tragedy.


19 posted on 12/11/2013 6:07:04 PM PST by DManA
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A bunch of silliness.

Hitler desperately wanted Japan to attack Russia. That is the ONLY reason he declared war on America.

Hitler built only a handful of truly long range bombers and gave up building ONE aircraft carrier. He could not have invaded America even if he defeated England and Russia had had no enemies. It was logistically IMPOSSIBLE for Germany without a decade of a build-up.

To overcome these practical obstacles Hitler built up the German navy and began work on a long-range bomber -- the notorious Amerika Bomber -- which would be capable of flying to New York and back without refueling. Although the bomber proved difficult to construct, Hitler embarked on a crash building program of superbattleships promptly after the defeat of France. In addition, he began accumulating air and sea bases on the Atlantic coast to facilitate attacks on the United States.

20 posted on 12/11/2013 6:07:46 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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Hitler had very little choice. England was being fed and armed by American convoys. Eventually, Hitler knew he would have another active front from a revitalized England. Hitler knew he couldn’t win in Russia and sustain an invasion in France.

Hitler could only slow that by sinking our shipping as it was coming out of American ports before it formed into convoys. Doing so would cause us to declare war, so it was a moot point.

Hitler only needed another year of determined invasion of Russia to secure that front. He was buying time by attacking American shipping.


29 posted on 12/11/2013 6:35:45 PM PST by gandalftb (Go OK State Cowboys!!)
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None the less, it was still an act of insanity. Germany couldn’t even force a crossing of the English Channel, let alone the Atlantic. Even the USA and Briton had to use all their resources just to invade France with England as a base.


37 posted on 12/11/2013 6:48:55 PM PST by Hugin
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Roosevelt was actively baiting Germany into either declaring war, or initiating an incident that would prompt the US Congress to declare war.

He didn't quite get it with the sinking of the USS Reuben James in late October '41. But after Pearl Harbor he deliberately laid a good portion of the blame at the feet of Hitler's Germany. From the text of "Fireside Chat #19, December 9th 1941 (between Pearl Harbor and the German Declaration of War):

The course that Japan has followed for the past ten years in Asia has paralleled the course of Hitler and Mussolini in Europe and in Africa. Today, it has become far more than a parallel. It is actual collaboration so well calculated that all the continents of the world, and all the oceans, are now considered by the Axis strategists as one gigantic battlefield.

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Your Government knows that for weeks Germany has been telling Japan that if Japan did not attack the United States, Japan would not share in dividing the spoils with Germany when peace came. She was promised by Germany that if she came in she would receive the complete and perpetual control of the whole of the Pacific area -- and that means not only the Ear East, but also all of the Islands in the Pacific, and also a stranglehold on the west coast of North, Central and South America.

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39 posted on 12/11/2013 6:52:06 PM PST by tanknetter
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A few things: Intentionally or unintentionally, German POW's were disembarked in the North, then traveled by Train either along the eastern seaboard to the South or through the Industrial Midwest. By the time they got to their POW camps, they saw the awesome power of the United States and knew they could never beat such a country.

Hitler believed he could beat the U.S. because he thought they were decadent and degenerate....mainly by watching Hollywood movies and the America News Media....even then, they were causing problems for our country. The reason he started the Battle of the Bulge, was because he still believed that the American soldier was inferior and couldn't fight (instead of using the bulk of his resources to fight the Russians).

Finally, there was a reason World War II didn't have an anti-war movement like all the other wars we've had since the Revolution- Hitler invaded the Soviet Union, and all Leftists and Democrats had to do anything to come to the aid or their hero-country..

47 posted on 12/11/2013 7:05:34 PM PST by MuttTheHoople (Nothing is more savage and brutal than justifiably angry Americans. DonÂ’t believe me? Ask the Germa)
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Hitler had a good thing going till he attacked the USSR and then this declaration on US.

It shows that he was very small minded but got some great opportunities and luck for a while.

Notice Japan stabbed Hitler in back and didnt declare war on USSR in return.


48 posted on 12/11/2013 7:13:11 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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Hitler didn’t even TRY to come up with a long-range bomber. He would have one if he did


51 posted on 12/11/2013 7:17:39 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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If Japan had invaded Siberia at the same time the panzers were driving on Moscow, the USSR would have fallen and world history would be a lot different.


55 posted on 12/11/2013 7:43:53 PM PST by Argus
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In 1939 the evil and genocide had been happening in the Soviet Union. In an alternative history some have written the West helps Germany defeat the Soviets before defeating Germany.


68 posted on 12/11/2013 8:25:41 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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First They Came for the Jews

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller

Community and individuality are not opposites. People cannot survive on their own. When the odds are stacked against you, you must rally with the oppressed and hated.

When a growing oppressive regime is taking hold, you must act, otherwise you will soon face your enemy alone and hopeless.

Strength of community is a strength as much as individualism, as long you are willing to face weaknesses in your own community. Ignoring slacking values will mean that you will be rallied against by those you oppress.

Niemöller affirms we must rally against unhealthy organized regimes. We must also stay vigilant with those that appear to be good natured, as all organisation attracts corruption. Niemöller also warns us that if it is you who are corrupt, then you will face a stronger combined force of foe!
Vexen Crabtree

 


77 posted on 12/11/2013 9:09:14 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Good article and insight by the way.


115 posted on 12/12/2013 9:53:58 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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