Boeing picks 15 potential sites nationwide to build 777X

Seattle Times ^ | November 23, 2013 | Dominic Gates

[SandRat]

Send it to me in Cochise County, AZ.

We have almost total Conservative Patriots

[leakinInTheBlueSea]

A few more bombers built in KS than in WA in WWII, but over 80% (6,680) of them were B-25s from the North American KC, KS plant (very little aviation workforce in the KC region nowadays)... Boeing’s only production in KS for bombers was 1,644 B-29s in Wichita. Still a possibility, but neither have the deepwater port that Boeing would highly prefer (especially after landing a Dreamlifter a few miles North of McConnell AFB in Wichita this week ;)

[FAA]

No, suppose not.

Are we talking ship up the Miss’sip or around the East Coast to the Great Lakes?

Remember, Airbus wanted to set up assembly in Mobile, Al for their KC/X proposal. It would make sense that they studied the matter and came to a reasoned conclusion.

[X-spurt]

Yep NAS Dallas, right next door to General Dynamics old plant. Worked across the lake from it a number of years.

Still a NAS is not an Air Force Base. Never was an AFB in Dallas.

[Vince Ferrer]

Are we talking ship up the Miss’sip or around the East Coast to the Great Lakes?

Either. There is barge river traffic that could handle aircraft sections easily all the way up to St. Paul, Minnesota, although the river is seasonal traffic up north. Land with river or lake access would probably be cheaper than ocean access. Look at Cleveland with the proximity of the airport, rail, and port access.

[Impy]

I doubt Boeing is impressed with Seattle’s newly elected Socialist councilwoman Kshama Sawant

I missed this little bit of news. Ms. Sawant is a member of the "Socialist Alternative" party. We finally have someone that actually ADMITS they are a Marxist in elective office!!!!! Honesty, at last!!

[GeronL]

Bernie Sanders?

[Impy]

Sanders calls himself a "progressive" NOT a "socialist" as is commonly repeated, though he said he doesn't mind being called a socialist. Anyway he doesn't admit to being a Marxist. This woman has actually called herself one.

[Moonman62]

Problem with 777X production would come from the fact that we are talking final assembly rather than true production here. Lots of parts made overseas, being shipped in, and, then combined for the final product. Makes a far inland place like Roswell not so good considering trucking wings and other sum-assemblies in from Houston or Galveston.

I don't think being inland will be a problem.

[NoCmpromiz]

Maybe they could build here in Warren county,N.J

Well, it is pre4tty there..

Plenty of space and a whole lot of unemployed people.

Unemployed - yep. Lots.

Space - yep. Lots.

But it's not flat.

Hard to find a 12000 foot long linear patch of land in Warren County to build a runway without massive fill, cuts, or both, and I sort of think Boeing would probably need a runway. As far as I know there are no major airports with long runways anywhere near Belvidere or Blairstown. (There is Lehigh Valley Int. Airport in Allentown,PA which is in commuting distance of you..) About the only thing that runs linearly in Warren County is the Lackawanna Cutoff and that took a lot of work (and is not wide enough to be used as a runway.)

Someplace that does have underutilized runway capacity that is near you would be Stewart Aitport (Stewart AFB) in Maybrook, NY. But while I'd like to see it, I would not recommend moving to SonofFormerEmperorCuomo's state no matter what tax breaks were offered. ;-)

But at least Belvidere has a railroad. Or at least I think that the Bel-Del is still there. And maybe if he gets promised enough of either votes or contributions, maybe Chrispy will build Boeing an airport.. ;-)

[NoCmpromiz]

especially after landing a Dreamlifter a few miles North of McConnell AFB in Wichita this week

Amazing what you can do with less than 6000 feet of runway, isn't it.. ;-)

(I betcha the pilot developed a case of skid marks... ;-)

[leakinInTheBlueSea]

Amazing what you can do with less than 6000 feet of runway, isn't it.. ;-)


Amazing how quickly they were ready to depart given the cost of that aircraft and their scarcity. I guess freezing temperatures and a 30kt headwind were too enticing to pass up when stuck at the wrong airport with too short a runway.

[NoCmpromiz]

a 30kt headwind were too enticing to pass up

30 knot headwinds are a good thing to have when trying to drive a big boat off a short pier.. ;-)

[ridesthemiles]

You can build infrastructure.

Pretty hard to build ‘space’.

[ridesthemiles]

Everything about today’s California is NOT beneficial for any business to be there.

[MSF BU]

Why would they have done that?

[FreedomPoster]

The freezing temperatures were not inconsequential in that equation. Thrust is proportional to mass flow rate, and cold air is more dense than warmer air being blown through turbofan blades. Airfoil lift is also greater with more dense air.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_altitude

I once sat on the runway in Eagle, CO in a fully loaded 757 for an hour or so on an unseasonably warm December day, until it cooled off enough for the pilots to be happy with their safety margins for takeoff. I’ll admit to some pucker factor on that one.

[ken5050]

Many thanks for the detailed information. Your comments make sense. I was looking at it more from a PR viewpoint...for Boeing...they can't choose an overtly RED, ant-union state, SC, Texas, because it would just piss of the IAM no-end, and they'll try and avoid that. Kansas works, for that reason, though maybe not as well for the logistics, and you pointed out.

Question: I read t hat they had to fly in a replacement crew for the take off. Are they specially trained for short runway approaches and landings, of is the first crew getting a "time out?" What happens to/with them?

[WildHighlander57]

Post #5 is not there now.... where did it go?

[eastforker]

Oh, and no unions...another TX benefit ;-)

That is not true. There are many unions operating in the state of Texas as some companies prefer to hire using unions.