Posted on 11/21/2013 9:52:06 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
Edited on 11/21/2013 9:53:53 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
That is an interesting idea, but sadly such a strategy is moot when the rulers no longer follow the rule of law, precedent or tradition.
We're not dealing with simple cronies and corrupt career-minded politicians where such a plan would have merit, we're dealing with Marxist Revolutionaries installing a Fascist utopia. They are REMAKING society - not manipulating it to get ahead.
If the GOP walked out - Obama would say that this is proof that the Republicans are not interested in governing, and he would (with Pelosi,Reid and the media's help) - IGNORE all the rules concerning quorums, funding and so on. He would impose single party rule by Executive Order and by actions in both houses from the Democrat leadership to secure their permanent seats of power. The dictatorship would then be legitimized. All in the name of "ensuring the continuity of government" of which Obama has literally hundreds of 'secret' E.O.s already signed with God-knows what in them.
It's not playing by two sets of rules at all. The reality is that the rules are arbitrary and they can and will be changed to suit the Ruling Class and MarxoFascists in power as they see fit. We have already witnessed this.
There is NO FIXING THIS BY CIVIL MEANS. PERIOD.
Get that through your heads.
You CANNOT be reasonable with the unreasonable, and we're dealing with people who DO NOT share the same respect for principles and ideals that the rest of us do. You cannot co-exist alongside such ideologues anymore than sin is content to exist alongside Righteousness. One will subjugate the other. That's simple fact.
Obama himself said "if they bring a knife, you bring a gun". History reached THE ONLY THING that will affect such tyrannical rulers and their hold on power is both the threat and use of force.
However, without the willpower to actually enforce the law and the Constitution, we might as well march ourselves to the camps now for all it is going to be worth in the end.
The judges who rule in favor of litigants who (for religious reasons) will not purchase Obamacare will be eliminated and replaced with those who will rule that Obamacare is more important than The Almighty.
Nothing is isolated, it all works together.
Well I agree with you.
These aren’t the typical progressives we are used to. Many of them are leftists, but aren’t out and out Marxists in the mold of Ayers and Vallerie Jarrett.
I wonder how many old school dems that have been there for decades (for their own benefit) are now looking around at the radicals and are privately freaked out and thinking they have no choice but to play ball or it is their heads.
They don’t want to be left out of the ruling class during the coming attempted purge.
While I agree with most of what you have said on this thread, I think we should at least acknowledge a couple of differences between our situation and the the ones faced by many victims of tyranny over the years.
One, our states aren’t completely powerless and owned by the Feds. I understand we don’t really have militias that can check the Feds. But the layers of federalism provide some extra resistance in many parts of the country.
And two, we have the most armed populace any government has ever tried to impose its will on. It is a case of first impression as far as that goes in my opinion.
If these Soviet style radicals push it too long they won’t be able to hold off the coming resistance.
All a nation needs is 3% committed patriots for a successful revolution (in this case to follow the outline in the Declaration of Independence) and the overthrow of a tyrant.
I think we have 3%. Maybe not 3.1%, but 3%.
And we have been trying our best to work within the system peacefully, but when it becomes obvious all you know what will hit the fan.
Personally I prefer a tin pot dictator to overplay his hand over the dangerous incrementalism usually employed by the left.
They can slow cook the frog in the boiling pot all day long in this country.
But there are some things you just don’t do.
If anybody is dumb enough to cross that line it is this administration.
May God help us and grant us favor should that happen.
They don’t want to be left out of the ruling class during the coming attempted purge.
There is truth to that. However I think that because the root core of the Leftist/liberal ideology is to impose their religious morality on us by any means possible, they have more in common with the MarxoFascists than we would probably want to admit.
As a whole people and a nation, we no longer have a common view of either morality OR liberty. As such - replacing God with Government becomes a moral imperative for the imposition of their ideology on the rest - by force if necessary.
our states aren’t completely powerless and owned by the Feds. I understand we don’t really have militias that can check the Feds. But the layers of federalism provide some extra resistance in many parts of the country.
That will be put to the test in very short order. Mark. My. Words. We are going to see if states are willing to forego federal monies and if they have the balls to resist Feds coming in to take over their state should they refuse to comply with whatever edicts the Beast decides to enforce.
we have the most armed populace any government has ever tried to impose its will on. It is a case of first impression as far as that goes in my opinion.
Right. Waco comes to mind. So do countless other examples of raw unbridled tyrannical oppression that we now are in the habit of shrugging our shoulders at. TSA anyone?
Nope - the fact you have a gun in your hand means nothing if you are not willing to pull the trigger. The will is everything. I see no willpower to resist what is already being imposed on us. I have doubts that when REAL misery and pain are imposed, whether this people would be willing to risk what is necessary to resist.
Or, like most societies gone over, the promise of bread will be more important? Want to fly? Drive? Earn a living? Have a bank account?
Comply or get nothing.
ON the flip side - a breakout of violence gives the MarxoFascists what they want more than anything: JUSTIFICATION for what they intended to do all along.
We waited too long to put a stop to what is about to happen to us when the cost was minor. Now it is going to cost us possibly more than we can bear.
If these Soviet style radicals push it too long they won’t be able to hold off the coming resistance.
They have already expected and accounted for that inevitability. They have already planned for it. That is what all the demonization of Conservatives, Tea Party, Vets, gun owners, Christians and Whites is all about: conditioning the masses to accept what is going to be done to put down any resistance.
All a nation needs is 3% committed patriots for a successful revolution (in this case to follow the outline in the Declaration of Independence) and the overthrow of a tyrant.
Without national repentance and a cohesive cause in foundational principles - we hope for such an outcome in vain.
And we have been trying our best to work within the system peacefully, but when it becomes obvious all you know what will hit the fan.
Because it is not self-evident to most, and because a majority of Americans now see nothing immoral or wrong with Socialism, (Hope and Change was applauded), few to none of them know, care or understand there is no civil way to work within the system. Most of this people want their 'fair share', and they do not care how they get it. Going to government to get a handout or subsidy is what they think redress of grievances mean.
Personally I prefer a tin pot dictator to overplay his hand over the dangerous incrementalism usually employed by the left.
We have a dictatorship precisely BECAUSE the incrementalism over the decades has prepared the field for them to do what they have done. Obama has already seriously overplayed himself, same thing the Senate did this past week. Nothing is going to be done about anything except more of the same empowerment of the Beast to 'solve the crisis'.
They can slow cook the frog in the boiling pot all day long in this country. But there are some things you just don’t do.
When the frog is fully cooked, the tyrants can do whatever they want to - which is what you are witnessing by and large.
If anybody is dumb enough to cross that line it is this administration. May God help us and grant us favor should that happen.
They already have many, many times over. What final line is it going to take? Health care? The economy? Your job? The demonization? Criminalization? Guns?
They cross the line when they know they have nothing to fear in retaliation. It's how bullies operate. It's how this Beast operates.
We don’t know what particular spark will land on the tinder by the gunpowder, but all the parts are in place.
So it’s too late?
I’m all ears for solutions.
And I agree the process is a total farce.
The 17th Amendment really screwed federalism on so many levels.
We need divided layers of government to protect individual liberty.
I understood that concept in the 9th grade.
So what do we do now?
Here's the truth if one wants to know it based on human nature and history:
While I'm praying for a Nineveh, I see no efforts in the culture that would galvanize a religious and moral people to repent and recapture the foundations. Only then would we have the moral imperative and power to do what is necessary.
I dread to hear the words 'Pray for this people no more' - as Jeremiah did when his people refused to repent and change their culture back to what was right and moral. But I fear that is coming given the fruits of wickedness that are shaming good people into silence.
We need divided layers of government to protect individual liberty. I understood that concept in the 9th grade. So what do we do now?
I like Levin's ideas on getting the States to propose Amendments to deal with what has been perverted.
However, should such a movement gain traction - it will require bloodshed to enable it to continue.
What is now in power will NOT give up their power by any civil means. Any laws or Amendments passed would be ignored, struck down and those advocating them criminalized.
When the rule of law no longer governs those in power, then no proposed laws will reign them in either. They would have to be imposed by force - and the suffering and misery would be beyond what most Americans would be willing to sacrifice.
What do we do now? We resist. We defy tyranny. We refuse. And when they come to impose their tyranny by force, then we have the moral authority to do what is necessary and sacrifice what is necessary for liberty.
We simply do not know how many will be willing to endure the hard walk and task required to do what is necessary. My gut says - not many in a culture of people who are used to instant gratification.
We are veering toward a social implosion, I think the tipping points are far behind us.
It may not be fixable, it might even lead to a new Dark Age, or if the center holds, a totalitarian dictatorship resembling Russia or China in the 1950s, with zero freedom, forced labor etc.
Mad Max, or 1984.
Link to the full-text Free Republic thread.
It’s a wonder a Republican ever wins in AZ considering their insistence on keeping McPain in place there.
It will come back to bite them.
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