Posted on 11/14/2013 12:01:57 PM PST by EveningStar
...We are coming on 25 years of Pete Rose's banishment...
Pete Rose played baseball with an intensity and love that might be unmatched in the game's history. He cracked more hits and reached base more times than anyone ever. He represented a way to play baseball that inspired millions of people. Then, he gambled on games, breaking one of baseball's most cherished rules. Rose is 72 years old now, and I think it's time to let him back into the game. I don't think anyone should ask him to apologize again or come any cleaner than he has. I don't think anyone should expect Pete Rose to be something that he is not. It has been almost 25 years. He has paid his debt.
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You can harm your team in the long run by trying to win every game....overusing pitchers would be a prime example of that. Also, betting on your own team, means that when you don't bet on your team to win, that it can send a signal to bookies.
But the key issue here is that he was betting on his own team, not against it. Said bet would not give him incentive to throw any games but to actually try harder.
Therefore, this is an infraction of the rules and not a violation. Rose deserves to be fined, maybe even suspended, but certainly not banned from baseball for life. I'd say that 25 years in the wilderness is more than enough.
He needs to declare he is gay, took steroids, hates the Tea Party, and write a book about it all.
He will then be welcomed back with open arms.
"Pre-determined?" Maybe, maybe not.
For the record, I have to forgive him. I think being banished from baseball for 25 years is sufficient penance....
...Not that I have any say in the matter.
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yawn. Let’s not be mistaking professional athletes and entertainers for people of significance.
But his admission into the HOF would be for what he did as a player. And he's obviously deserving based on his playing career.
So, I do not & have never had a problem distinguishing between the two & admitting him into the HOF.
The rulebook doesn’t say lifetime ban for those. There are signs, in the dugouts, next to the very phone Pete used to place bets on the game, saying betting on the game will result in a lifetime ban. He broke the biggest rule in the sport, got caught, lied about it in public, eventually “admitted” it (trying once again to get the ban lifted), there’s no wiggle room on this.
Meanwhile steroids ARE keeping guys out of the Hall. And the baseball HOF rules don’t say anything about non-game related activities (unlike the NFL HOF which specifically instructs voters to consider ALL their activities), so wife beating shouldn’t rate. But regardless of all that, he broke the lifetime ban rule, no Pete.
And for what it’s worth: McGwire, Clemens and Sosa will never be in the Hall of Fame, just like Rose.
No, Landis was a pompous, racist, ass; Babe Ruth saved the game.
I played catcher for 45 years in baseball and softball, until my knees gave out. Pete Rose was my hero then and, even now, knowing that he had feet of clay .. as does every other human being .. I don't regret a moment of it.
He doesn't need to be in the Hall of Fame; he'll always be in my Hall of Fame and it is those playing principles that I teach my players and grandsons.
If we’re going to allow Pete Rose into the Hall of Fame, why not give Lance Armstrong back his Tour de France awards and lift his lifetime ban on competition?
Fair enough, Nothing wrong with admiring how he played the game on the field.
As for good ole #14, AKA Charlie Whiner - HA-HA!!
And Bonds.
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Him too.
Pete Rose admitted that he bet on his own games for a team he was managing. He broke the golden rule of baseball at the time.
It really doesn’t get any simpler than that. Everything else is opinion, not fact.
He should not be allowed into the HOF but his records should be there.
And you kind of touch on a point that a lot of Rose apologists often ignore: Pete IS all over the Hall of Fame. It’s not like Joe Stalin runs Cooperstown and all traces of him are erased; Rose’s stats and accomplishments are there. All that the Hall decided was not to give its ultimate honor to the dishonorable.
Barry Bonds has 762 home runs and no asterisk next to it.
If Bonds is even considered, Rose has to be admitted.
A rule is a rule and if he made his choice to be banned, I guess that was his choice. I still have no problem with anyone betting on neutral teams or on their own team to win.
The mayors of home towns make a big deal of making bets before the world series. I know that's not the same, but it is betting one baseball and it is telling kids everywhere that betting is ok, even if it is just a barrel of crabs or some real dollars.
I'm admittedly in the wrong according to people a lot smarter than I, but I have no problem with wagers until it is against one's own team.
Let’s ask Rose if he is willing to flip a coin on the matter.
If he answers yes, then no.
If he answers no, then yes.
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