Thanks Pharmboy!
Posted on 11/05/2013 6:05:07 PM PST by Pharmboy
An analysis of ancient DNA from a 24,000-year-old Siberian skeleton generates a new model for the original peopling of the Western Hemisphere.
Native Americans may not have descended from East Asians who crossed the Bering Land Bridge more than 15,000 years ago, according to a new genomic analysis of a millennia-old Siberian skeleton. A portion of the nuclear DNA recovered from the upper arm bone of a 4-year-old boy that was buried near the Siberian village of Mal’ta about 24,000 years ago is shared by modern Native Americans and no other group. But the boy appears to have been descended from people of European or western Asian origin.
Eske Willerslev, a University of Copenhagen ancient DNA expert, announced the findings last week at the Paleoamerican Odyssey conference in Santa Fe, New Mexico, and the resulting manuscript is in press at Nature. In addition to finding genome regions shared by modern Native Americans, he and collaborator Kelly Graf of Texas A&M University found that the boy’s Y chromosome and mitochondrial DNA belonged to haplogroups that are found almost exclusively in Europeans and people living in Asia west of the Altai Mountains.
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Rush can be very, very good, but when he’s bad, he’s awful.
I’ve wondered how they account for that.
It depends on how the ownership of the Two if by Tea co. is set up, then they just hire Rush to do advertisement spots. just like the owner of a business can pay himself as CEO and then bank the remaining profits at the end of the year.
I agree! If you put an Alaska Native alongside a Navajo, an Apache, a Plains Indian and a North Eastern Indian, to me they seem to be very distinct types (Oliver LaFarge’s Pictoral History of the Native American Peoples) and the Central American native peoples don’t seem to resemble any of the above. My non-expert guess is different migrations from different areas.
The epicanthic fold.
Not all Asians have it. Some have it and it is very pronounced--they appear to have slits for eyes. Others (Japanese, many of them) have round eyes like we do. Asians vary.
Theory I read is that the epicanthic fold came about because the Himalayas run horizontally, not vertically like the Rockies. People got trapped on the north side of the Himalayas during the last Ice Age, and the fold exists to prevent the eyelid from freezing shut.
Interesting, either way. Good post, fun discussion.
You sound like a scientist—even if you’re not. That is the key question that every man and woman in science must ask.
One of Rush’s negative traits at times is to harp on a particular subject to the neglect of virtually every other subject. I remember during Slick Willy’s reign, practically every show was a three hour tirade about the evil of the bent one. Granted, there was no lack of reasons to criticize Clinton, but a number of callers started phoning Rush and asking him to talk about other subjects. I quit listening to Rush for a while too...too much emphasis on one subject gets tedious.
Dittos.
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But the remains of pre-ancient, “white” Siberian tribes have been found across the north, from Siberia to Europe—even redheads. Also noted by some, as they researched language histories. So maybe it was the other way around. Granted, it’s all bits and pieces.
There was no single American Indian nation across continental America, and there are many contrasting differences between Indian nations, including physical differences—from some of the northeast coast folks with more European features to the Maori-looking (as in New Zealand) folks in Colombia.
Some Indians built wooden houses. Others didn’t, and so on. Social customs varied widely. Some even got along with Europeans more than other Indian nations (until forced to leave their home states and the like). Descendants of some nations are, on average, more conservative than others today (e.g., Oklahoma vs. California).
And yes, many of the remnants of several former nations have hooded eyes and see the many similarities between themselves and characters in Chinese kung fu flicks. Joking with folks from mountainous areas in China can be a fun activity. ;-)
There’s nothing about exactly what the mark was, but he did head east from there.
The peaceful Zuni of New Mexico and Arizona are much studied, partly because their language, culture and physical appearance set them apart from other Native American peoples. Davis, an anthropologist who has made 10 visits to the Zuni pueblo, now offers the startling thesis that a group of Japanese Buddhists left earthquake-wracked medieval Japan and came by ship to the Southern California coast, eventually migrating inland to the Zuni territory, where they merged their culture and genes with Native Americans to produce the modern Zuni people around A.D. 1350.
Davis uses "forensic" evidence--including analyses of dental morphology, blood and skeletal remains--to support a Japanese-Zuni connection. Further, she notes the Zuni's exceptionally high incidence of a specific kidney disease that is also unusually common in Japan. Yet she acknowledges there have been no DNA studies to confirm or refute her hypothesis, and she has not turned up a single 13th-century Japanese item in North America.
Her bold, highly speculative theory gets a boost from some cultural parallels, including striking similarities between the Zuni and Japanese languages; between the Zuni "sacred rosette" found on robes and pottery and the Japanese Buddhist chrysanthemum symbol (presently Japan's imperial crest). A Zuni mid-January ceremony with masked monsters, aimed at frightening children into proper behavior, is almost identical to one in Japan.
Davis's broader thesis that the Pacific was a "liquid highway" mounts a serious challenge to the entrenched idea of the peopling of the Americas solely via the Bering Strait land bridge.
Fascinating. Thanks, blam. Maybe some people here and there did get around quite a bit in the pre-ancient past.
This site is near Lake Baikal in Irkutsk province.
Even though I'm retired, I guess I'm still a scientist. At least I still pay dues to scientific professional societies. However, I haven't done any genuine research since I retired.
Aha...I was right about SOMEthing this year!
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