I know nothing about it.
Posted on 10/17/2013 8:45:51 AM PDT by ComtedeMaistre
Governor Rick Perry was once alleged to have stated that Texas could secede in the future. But he now states he opposes succession:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/onpolitics/2012/11/13/rick-perry-texas-secession-petition/1702359/
If the different states were to become different nations, the federal government would cease to exist. That means that the federal debt would be reduced to Zero. But the price that Americans would pay, would be the loss of super power status. Would Americans be better off or worse off, if the states were to become different countries?
You are right. However, the big nation states are collapsing and smaller and smaller groups of people are able to use force effectively. Check out the book, The Sovereign Individual by Davidson and Rees-Mogg. It was written a few years ago, but it predicts the break-up of countries and a chaotic future, at least for a while.
They say new or new versions of older political organization will arise. We may see the return of city-states. It’s an interesting book.
What ever did happen to that nuke that disappeared from inventory last month anyway?
It was illegal for Soviet citizens to violently overthrow the USSR in 1991. I take it you opposed that revolution?
Yes, the ticks will hold onto their hosts as long as they can.
“The president does have total control, and people in the chain of command are constantly vetted for their readiness to follow his orders.”
Nope. The president entering codes into his little box does not launch nukes. You’ve watched to many movies and, as usual on FR, you’re talking out your ass.
You’re really not fit to be here with your hatred of the south.
No idea. I don’t have it. Honest.
The US has a different basis of law than USSR and a different history that doesn’t justify violent insurrection.
I know nothing about it.
The problems is, as always, who goes first?
If anything like this is going to take place, I think that individual key states, which means the governors, are going to have to conference and war-game the scenarios.
You know for sure that the Feds are war-gaming these things everyday.
Perhaps it would help if citizens make their state reps know at which point Federal action, such as martial law, is absolutely unacceptable.
The president entering codes sends orders. The people to whom the orders are sent are vetted to be the kind of person who would follow those orders. If they don’t follow orders in an exercise, they are removed from that position, and replaced with someone who will follow orders.
You might see a race or a civil war between conservatives/liberals, but never a break up of the Nation. We have seen internal strife all through our history.
Ummm. It think that was the bulk of the idea behing an association of Soverign States as I recall. The Founders' aim was the best of both worlds.
With the exception of a few delegated powers enumerated, the States were more like Independent nations that entered into a treaty.
But each of the confederates retains an entire liberty of exercising as it thinks proper, those parts of the sovereignty, which are not mentioned in the treaty of union, as parts that ought to be exercised in common. And of this nature is the American confederacy, in which each state has resigned the exercise of certain parts of the supreme civil power which they possessed before (except in common with the other states included in the confederacy) reserving to themselves all their former powers, which are not delegated to the United States by the common bond of union.
Of the Several Forms of Government, St. George Tucker, View of the Constitution of the United States [1803] Section XII
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They now most of the States are servants of the administrative, or 'federal' organ, and the People are forced to go along for the ride.
With all due respect, WTF do you think happened between 1775 and 1783? A frickin' quilting bee?
The very existence of this country justifies violent insurrection!!! You must be mistaking the USA for Canada.
Add to this the fact that there are legions of writings from our Founding Fathers cautioning us to reserve the ability to violently overthrow the government as a means of holding it in thrall and you'll find that absent the possibility of violent overthrow we will establish the exact tyranny from which those good men fought to free themselves.
If I was like you, I could say that you are not fit to be here with your hatred of the country, but I think you do love much about the country. I don’t hate the south, though I think the past insurrection launched by the slave power in the distant past was incorrect, not justified, and illegal.
If you can’t win an election, you can’t win a war. Losing an election has bad consequences. Losing a war has worse consequences. Mass murder in an attempt to win an unjustified insurrection is perhaps the worst result possible as it invites, and partially justifies mass murder by the authority that suppresses the insurrection.
Right. Massive default. Great answer.
Wait 'till the Chinese repo men get here. See what you get from them.
I don't think a break-up is in the cards, but it's nice to see that if it does it will be accompanied by all the same stupid bravado as it was in 1861.
It's reassuring and heartwarming to know that people can't sit down and resolve their differences civilly in a peaceful and cooperative way, and that human nature hasn't changed in a short century and a half.
In 1775 the English parliament began a war on the various colonies. They lost that war. In the aftermath of that war, they reformed their system of representation and colonial administration.
I recommend you read the D of I for why that revolution was justified.
The $17 trillion debt holders and $160 trillion liability recipients say no way.
Makes you wonder if that TV series Revolution on NBC is more to the truth to what we could see in the future.
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