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USE OF FORCE TO BE STUDIED IN DC POLICE CHASE
Associated Press ^ | October 7, 2013 | Larry Neumeister,Eric Tucker

Posted on 10/07/2013 4:36:16 AM PDT by Biggirl

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Police in Washington are reviewing the use of officers' deadly force in the killing of a woman who tried to ram her car through a White House barrier, a shooting her family says was unjustified.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: black; brooklyn; capitol; dc; dcpolice; drill; mentalillness; miriamcarey; senate
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To: driftdiver

“Perhaps everyone speedi g should be shot.”

That statement shows as much intelligence as your first statement.

Typical “if-then” nonsensical argument based only on emotion and not fact.

No one, including you, even now after the fact has the slightest clue what her intentions were.

If she was a muslim that had sped into a group of WWII vets in wheelchairs you would be the first to scream why didn’t they shoot and stop her when they had the chance.

You are no different than the DU dummies that try to make an argument based only on after the fact knowledge.


61 posted on 10/07/2013 8:30:55 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Sacajaweau

So every driver should be shot. Got it.


62 posted on 10/07/2013 8:33:29 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Biggirl

This deserves the Rodney King litmus test. Hmmmmmmmmmm... let’s see...


63 posted on 10/07/2013 8:33:57 AM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: IMR 4350

When someone pulls what you just did it means you have no argume t and lack the ability to find one. Fool


64 posted on 10/07/2013 8:34:13 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Her misfortune was that her illness took the form of threatening national leaders/institutions rather than assuming the fetal position in bed and refusing to eat or maintaining a 5,000 pound collection of rubber bands.

My rubber band collection is probably not even 4,000 pounds. And it's for RESEARCH thank you very much.

65 posted on 10/07/2013 8:43:10 AM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: driftdiver

I lost the argument?

What was her motive?

Give me just facts, not assumptions.


66 posted on 10/07/2013 8:46:13 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Biggirl
I feel for her, she was clearly mentally ill. The cops seemed to show a remarkable amount of restraint although I do question how they were able to get the baby out before she was killed, is that still the story?

A car is a deadly weapon; I just don't know if we'll get the complete story soon or ever.

Luckily, with the plethora of cameraphones, we are seeing these incidents without the spin although according to one of the relatives of the thugs in NYC, the perp was a wonderful kid. The video(s) tell a much different story though.

67 posted on 10/07/2013 8:49:45 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: Lx
The cops seemed to show a remarkable amount of restraint

No they did not. The car was stopped, the danger was over when they executed the woman.

68 posted on 10/07/2013 8:51:27 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: HomeAtLast
And people wonder why I have a dentist phobia.

No need to worry about seeing your dentist and the assistant getting dressed when you wake up like in Seinfeld.

69 posted on 10/07/2013 8:52:15 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: GeronL
Is the story still that they were able to get the baby out before they shot her or has that changed?

That is what I was concerned about, they were able to get a baby out of a child seat or maybe they got the whole seat and they couldn't get her out without killing her?? But, if they got the baby out then she moved the car again, a car is a deadly weapon and the cops were then justified. I haven't heard any updates since the incident so is there any updates about the timeline?

The cops didn't blast her at the white hut gates, she traveled some distance but my wife pointed out something. When she showed up at the wh gate and asked to see 0, they should have said, we'll check the list and taken care of it then but again, I haven't heard any updates about the whole story since the incident broke and I would like to know the order of events from the time the police became aware of her until her death.

70 posted on 10/07/2013 9:03:34 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: Lx

meanwhile a cop car blasted through the barricades at full speed and nobody shot the cop who was armed.


71 posted on 10/07/2013 9:14:59 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Stentor

Half an hour I’ll never retrieve, spent on youtube looking for some video of that woman ramming a barricade. I saw the police car video you linked, no sign of her car in that one. I saw her car as she fled a crowd of people pointing guns at her. But nothing of her ramming anything at the WH or at the Capitol.

If she did ram anything at the WH, it sure wasn’t a serious barricade with the front of her car.


72 posted on 10/07/2013 9:16:48 AM PDT by HomeAtLast (The original Tea Party entailed a willingness to do without some tea.)
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To: Biggirl
The issue in this unfortunate event seems to be couched in the fact that the perp was a BLACK WOMAN.

Anytime a BLACK AMERICAN is killed by questionable means then those who want to push the race issue will automatically intervene and question.

My personal opinion is that shooting to kill ANYONE should be an absolute last resort.

From the video I've seen of this event those dealing with it were NOT trained to deal with such an occurrence. They were simply reacting to the moment and like armed officers that shoot family dogs in wrongful swat raids they reacted without thinking.

73 posted on 10/07/2013 9:24:08 AM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: Biggirl

Yes. Let us have a study to see how the execution process can be improved upon. We should have shot the toddler too... we need to correct these oversights.


74 posted on 10/07/2013 9:29:51 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: justlurking

“her erratic behavior looked like a failed car bombing in the absence of that information.”

I would argue that the scores of high speed chases you watch on the 6PM news almost never end in a killing. The speedster almost always puts the general public in danger. They cause accidents at intersections, smash into other vehicles and even cop cars. If they are unarmed they are just finally apprehended, maybe a little street justice beatdown and then taken into custody.

I’m glad you are psychic enough to intuit that the lady looked like a failed bombing attempt. If we go by your logic everyone who flees from the cops should be shot dead. Its insane to buy into this crap.


75 posted on 10/07/2013 9:38:00 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
I would argue that the scores of high speed chases you watch on the 6PM news almost never end in a killing.

They didn't occur around the White House, the US Capitol, and the National Mall.

They also usually end when cornered by the police, and the driver doesn't drive away -- twice -- injuring officers in the process.

76 posted on 10/07/2013 9:48:39 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: Lx
I would like to know the order of events from the time the police became aware of her until her death.

This was published a few days ago:

An NY Post story clarified: she reportedly drove over some low barricades and into a White House driveway before being stopped by a larger barricade. That is probably the reason the Secret Service reacted the way they did.

77 posted on 10/07/2013 9:53:18 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

After reading over 75 comments on tbis thread I’m still left with the belief that the united states has become a nation of mostly thugs and cowards. It’s almost a given that the police are going to shoot first and then not even bother asking questions later. Their job is to go home at the end of their shift (”protect and serve” doesn’t even pass the giggle test anymore). Then we get a lot of pant wetting obsequious pussies praising those brave, roided out thugs for executing one small, unarmed woman in an re-badged Nissan altima that never had a chance in hell or breeching a post 9/11 whitehouse barricade. You people should be ashamed of yourselves.


78 posted on 10/07/2013 10:02:08 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: IMR 4350

there was no motive, she was deranged. thats the point. she had numerous opportunities to hurt someone and didn’t.

she didnt need to be executed.


79 posted on 10/07/2013 10:21:08 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: justlurking

The point is this woman was not armed, did not have a bomb and never even drove through barrycades. She had no chance of getting anywhere near Obama. She was probably terrified by a bunch of roided up cops screaming and pointing guns at her so she tried to flee.

If you are buying into this myth that its OK to shoot anybody getting near government buildings you need to re-think.


80 posted on 10/07/2013 10:22:23 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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