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In my observations of history, at least four things are required for the decent into tyranny, (master ”owner” class and serf class)… a direct tax (income tax) on the people, a nationalized “healthcare” system that can require how you eat, drink, drive and live your life (lest it be withheld), corruption of the electoral process and the disarming of the citizenry. In a "rusty" irony, what good are drug wars and RICO laws to fight gangsters, when the government agents charged with enforcing them are now even BIGGER gangsters? I would ask Lois Lerner, but she’d just take the Fifth.

In more “rusty” irony many of my ‘progressive” friends are rightly outraged by the power given to the government by the Patriot Act, yet the IRS has had the same (or more) power for decades. I call it “guilty till they pronounce you guilty”!

1 posted on 09/26/2013 7:56:34 AM PDT by FiddlePig
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And this is different from Fascism how?


2 posted on 09/26/2013 8:02:25 AM PDT by Darteaus94025 (Phony President)
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It would be nice to know the outcome of this as to what the IRS’s reasons were.

There always is.


3 posted on 09/26/2013 8:02:53 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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If there’s anybody alive in the USA who still thinks that we live in a constitutional republic with representative democracy, I have a bridge for you in NY.

The current administration is marxist. In their world view, all the means of production should be in the hands of the government. They bitterly resent that anyone can own a business and actually make a profit. They want the money.

When all the means of production are in the hands of the government, then we’re Cuba, Venezuela, the Soviet Union, and poor.


4 posted on 09/26/2013 8:07:08 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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If the facts are as he has presented them, this is an outrage. These IRS criminals must be arrested and punished. If I said what I REALLY think should be done to them, I’d probably have the FBI at my door.


6 posted on 09/26/2013 8:10:19 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956

7 posted on 09/26/2013 8:14:07 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When your policy is to rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on enthusiastic support from Paul.)
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I am very surprised to see this in the Washington Times.

Did it say the business owner was in Michigan?


8 posted on 09/26/2013 8:15:58 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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"I don't care"

Neither do I. Bang!

9 posted on 09/26/2013 8:16:01 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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Who regulates the regulators?


11 posted on 09/26/2013 8:18:25 AM PDT by Daveinyork (IER)
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The whole concept of civil forfeiture should be eliminated. The proper procedure if the government believes that the money is the result of a crime is a criminal prosecution along with all of the protection of rights and requirement of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Most often civil forfeiture can be summed up as "You have some money. Hand it over."
12 posted on 09/26/2013 8:19:09 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Why is our military going to be used as Al Qaeda's air force in Syria?)
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There is one and only one response to this. That response is to harden yourself physically. I don't care how old you are or what your medical conditions are, you'd better start getting "tough as nails".

I don't know exactly what is coming down the pike, but I do know that it's going to require physical, mental and spiritual toughness.

Personally I've worked my way down to about 900 calories of food intake a day now, and gotten rid of all diet sodas and other garbage out of my diet. I'm either going to get tough of die trying. (And, yes, I know that I'll have to increase the calories one of these days .. but today is not that day).

13 posted on 09/26/2013 8:21:40 AM PDT by The Duke
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Reading the article the IRS could seize pretty much ANY retail small business’s accounts under suspicion of avoiding reporting. ALL of them I know make small, less than $10,000 deposits daily, some multiple times a day. Heck doesn’t even have to be small business.

I guarantee McDonald’s and pretty much all other corporate chain fast food makes multiple small cash deposits daily. IRS could seize McDonald’s using this tactic.

Absolute rogue agency


14 posted on 09/26/2013 8:26:31 AM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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Time to start going “Cash Only” wait businesses cannot do that as having “too much cash” can be seen as a FEDERAL violation of DRUG LAWS....

They have really got the law abiding OVER A BARREL don’t they?

Meanwhile criminals in DC and outside of DC are getting sweetheart deals and amnesty....


15 posted on 09/26/2013 8:29:42 AM PDT by GraceG
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1) The IRS is first and foremost a collection agency.

2) The is a collar around the IRS and there is a chain fixed to that collar. The other end of that chain is at the feet of the US Congress.


17 posted on 09/26/2013 8:30:17 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Producing Talk Show Prep since 1998.)
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You can thank congress. In 1913 they sold out your a&& and everyone else’s a&& to a foreign banking cartel called the federal reserve. They’ve owned you, me, and the government ever sinse.


19 posted on 09/26/2013 8:32:02 AM PDT by high info voter
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Welcome to the Soviet States of Amerika. Our communist/terrorist loving muzzie Commissar leads. This is what the Republic has become. Good luck folks. If you do not know the only way out of this mess, THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, I would sincerely suggest you pick up a copy of the Holy Bible, or you may actually have one in a drawer or collecting dust on a shelf some where, and get into it. Start in the Book of John. Read Romans and The Acts, the move on into the Corinthians, Timothy, etc. Do not fail to read Ezekiel, Daniel, and Revelation. Folks, time draws short. VERY short before the return of our Lord. Don’t be left behind. You don’t want to be under Antichrist. He’ll make Obama, Hitler, Stalin, Pal Pot, etc. look like school boys.


22 posted on 09/26/2013 8:34:49 AM PDT by RetiredArmy ("As in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of Man." Come Quickly LORD Jesus!)
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http://www.kentucky.com/2013/09/25/2842428/michigan-store-owner-sues-feds.html


24 posted on 09/26/2013 8:35:52 AM PDT by A. Morgan (Ayn Rand: "You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.")
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http://www.freep.com/article/20130925/NEWS04/309250158/Fraser-IRS-lawsuit-forfeiture


25 posted on 09/26/2013 8:37:33 AM PDT by A. Morgan (Ayn Rand: "You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.")
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So let me get this straight. If you deposit 10,000, that is reported to the gov. If you deposit less than 10,000, they assume that you are trying to avoid the reporting. But the small deposits are reported to the gov, but we’re not supposed to know that, and so they assume we are trying to avoid the reporting. Also we’re not supposed to know that the 10,000 is now 5,000.

So when we deposit the day’s receipts to avoid theft from criminals that the government encourages by keeping us from having a firearm to defend ourselves from the theft we are accused of trying to hide money.

We deposit the money as it comes in and the government just waltzes in and takes it.

The USA is Venezuela. Only our president has a lower IQ.

Question for IRS (NSA, please forward)
What do you do about the criminals who don’t deposit the money they get illegally?


27 posted on 09/26/2013 8:43:14 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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Well I wonder how many Dims this guy voted for over the years? If you want to stop this kind of thing you need to:

1. not vote for Dims.

2. not vote for GOP types who are big on the war on drugs.


28 posted on 09/26/2013 8:43:30 AM PDT by JLS
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She responded, “I don’t care.”

She was just channeling her inner Tommy Lee Jones in the Fugitive.

30 posted on 09/26/2013 8:47:40 AM PDT by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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