Posted on 09/25/2013 7:18:18 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Edited on 09/25/2013 7:31:01 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Neither health care or insurance are enumerated powers for the central government to be involved in or control. Period. They are clearly reserved to the states and the people by the constitution. Doesn't matter how poor people are or how sick. The federal government has no constitutional power to intervene.
The democrats can rant and rave and present millions of sob stories about sick people, but that does not change the constitution. We're now going to have millions of sob stories from closed businesses, from people who lose their jobs, from people who have their hours and pay reduced and lose access to healthcare altogether. Obamacare will cause more damage to the free economy and cause more people to lose their healthcare than who gain. All while increasing the costs and reducing quality and eventually bankrupting the insurance companies. It's impossible for free enterprise to succeed in a socialist environment with government subsidies. You're going to have one or the other. Socialism or freedom.
Obamacare is spread-the-wealth-around Marxism (socialism). We're going to take from those who have and give to those who don't. And many of those you take it from will lose all. If self-employed, many will lose their business or can't grow their business. Many of the currently employed will lose pay, lose jobs, lose their homes, lose their families and lose their healthcare.
Most of those who receive healthcare under this socialist program will remain poor. They won't get a job. They won't build a business. They won't get an education. They will remain on the government dole. They and their children will remain dependent on the government plantation, many times generation after generation. Socialism promotes long-term poverty and dependence.
Socialist healthcare will destroy the healthcare industry. Sorry, democrats, but profit makes the world go 'round. Remove the profit motive by controlling payments for services, you cut the quality of service. Just a given. Dump a flood of millions of additional patients into a declining industry, you get scarcity, delay, reduced quality, rationing, and eventually death panels. It happens in every country that tries it. Just a fact of life.
The socialist Obamacare does not improve any problem. It makes it worse. Would be far better to abide by the constitution and keep the feds out. The constitution leaves healthcare to the states and the people. If there are any federal laws restricting free trade in healthcare, they should be stricken from the books. Let the states and insurance companies compete nationwide. Get a handle on the ambulance chasers and the lawsuit shakedown industry. Offer some sort of incentive for personal healthcare accounts. Work with states and local governments to build charity hospitals and walk-in clinics for the poor. The poor and or uninsurable should not be turned away, but we shouldn't shred our constitution or turn our entire society upside down to insure them either. Healthcare for the poor or sick who cannot possibly pay has always been funded by charity or local governments and that's the way it should be. If the feds would keep its nose out of affairs where it has no constitutional authority, there might be more room for state and local governments and charities to pick up the slack.
Furthermore, Obamacare destroys the constitutional limits on government. It sets the SCOTUS approved precedent that there are no limits whatsoever on what the government can force on the people, nor any individual right that cannot be violated, nor any states right that cannot be violated. The central government is all powerful. That's totally upside down and inside out.
And it also eliminates the separation of powers. It allows the president and the SCOTUS to rewrite legislation without congressional input or approval.
It in fact, nullifies our constitution and bill of rights and turns America into a benevolent dictatorship.
The headline says it all, not to take away from the rest.
Sure, just like that, pack up and go overseas.
Or go to a “sock hop” for dentists.
Do you guys have young kids?
EEE, block grants ought to go away, too. Block grants are merely another way by which the Federal government manages a wealth redistribution plan.
The money that comes back to states as block grants was originally extorted from the taxpaying citizens of those, and other, states.
Drop the block grants, reduce the cash flow into the federal government, and let the states manage their own poverty programs, welfare, etc.
I accept your definition and application. I think part of being a dictator is exterminating real political opposition. It’s what 0bama is doing to “fundamentally transform” America. There is nothing benevolent about that, in the ordinary usage of the word.
JR, Winey snively so what. You got a plan, or just bloviating.
Rab loves JR.
Raben
Amen Brother!
I still think we should target the worst
insurance company by sending them sick people.
Thank you very much.
My plan is simple. Abide by the constitution. Leave healthcare and insurance to the states and the people. Free enterprise is far superior to socialism.
Socialism = epic fail.
Freedom = we win, they lose.
Well yeah but... The Supreme Court decided it was okay.
Of course I realize that the Court was wrong but that takes a revolution to decide differently...
Amen. And that’s the way our constitution sets it up.
Appears the court is controlled by the dictator and his party.
And it also eliminates the separation of powers. It allows the president and the SCOTUS to rewrite legislation without congressional input or approval.
It in fact, nullifies our constitution and bill of rights and turns America into a benevolent dictatorship.
Thanks a lot John Roberts.
If, in the course of your day, you encounter a liberal, be sure to remind them, “You own ObamaCare”.
Soon enough, they’re going to hate it more than we do. Because it’s theirs.
True. But Obama is using the power of his one party system to maintain his own dictatorial power, ie, the democrats plus the GOP-e RINOS = one party control. The only ones who believe Obama is benevolent are the recipients of his “gifts” and or those cronies in his corrupt party or (corrupt) big business who share in the looting of America. Obviously not all big business is corrupt but there are some (Soros, et al).
Why not? Everything is overseen by licensed dentists. Who are you going to sue when your foreign dentist butchers your mouth?
What’s a sock hop have to do with it?
Unfortunately, with the passage of the 17th Amendment, the concept of states rights and the 10th Amendment got lost in the shuffle. Prior to passage of the 17th Amendment, Senators to the US Congress were appointed by their respective state legislature. This made them beholden to the state they represented and more willing to fight to preserve states rights.
Passage of the 17th Amendment effectively eradicated their allegiance to their home state and made future Senators, like House representatives, beholden to the power brokers, money men and political groups. IOW, it effectively ended the concept of America as a representative republic and truly made us a "democracy" subject to mob rule.
IMO, the repeal of the 17th Amendment would do wonders to restore the status of states rights and the power of the 10th Amendment by forcing the Senate to, once again, focus on two primary priorities - the business of America and the right of the individual states to control more of what government does within individual state lines than being forced to certain programs by a strong central government. The Founding Fathers gave up a lot to create a balanced system of government in which the individual states were not required to cave to the will of the central (federal) government.
Today, we discuss ad nauseum the abuses of the Obama government, yet none of us are willing to take the necessary next step to put America back in balance with its Constitution. We KNOW what needs to happen, but we are too cowed by a gargantuan central government that has grown far beyond the limits envisioned by the Founding Fathers to the extent that it is now a bully to its own citizens.
And, the next election will only change some of the names and faces associated with the abuse - it will do NOTHING to correct the course of our ship of state.
Agreed. I’ve long held that the 16th and 17th should be repealed to restore our constitutional republic.
That said, we still have to work like the dickens against unconstitutional abuses like obamacare.
So true.
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