Posted on 09/24/2013 10:55:52 AM PDT by Old Sarge
Secretary of State John Kerry plans to sign a controversial U.N. treaty on arms regulation on Wednesday, a senior State Department official told Fox News -- despite warnings from lawmakers that the Senate will not ratify the agreement.
A State official said the treaty would "reduce the risk that international transfers of conventional arms will be used to carry out the world's worst crimes," while protecting gun rights.
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
Does it cover smuggling arms through f’d up criminal investigations?
Just one more thing to hang over the democrats head for the 2014/2016 elections.
From another thread, reposted here:
“Getting it Through the Congress is another thing.”
Either they won’t try, or they’ll wait until the Senate is empty, then follow the constitution:
“He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.”
Note the lack of mention of a quorum in the Constitution.
As long as 2/3 of the senators present vote yes. So if four are present and three vote yes...
Isn’t there a quorum that has to be there for the Senate to be “present”
Although Bam bam is the authority on ‘present’
As long as 2/3 of the senators present vote yes. So if four are present and three vote yes...
I'm pretty sure if that didn't violate existing Senate rules the liberals would have already tried it with Law of the Sea Treaty they have been trying to pass since the Reagan Administration or the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty during the 1990's
I thought the President had to sign?
“I’m pretty sure if that didn’t violate existing Senate rules the liberals would have already tried it with Law of the Sea Treaty they have been trying to pass since the Reagan Administration or the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty during the 1990’s “
We’ll see. This president thinks he’s immune from repercussions, while the others felt the need for some restraint. If he owns three Supreme justices he may be immune.
I don’t really think they’ll pull such a stunt but I thought it important to bring up.
Kerry can’t do it alone. It will have to be ratified....
It may be difficult for Dingy Harry to pull that off with the present rules of the Senate, of course he may try changing them if he thinks he can get away with it.
Rules of the Senate
EXECUTIVE SESSION - PROCEEDINGS ON TREATIES
1. (a) When a treaty shall be laid before the Senate for ratification, it shall be read a first time; and no motion in respect to it shall be in order, except to refer it to a committee, to print it in confidence for the use of the Senate, or to remove the injunction of secrecy.
(b) When a treaty is reported from a committee with or without amendment, it shall, unless the Senate unanimously otherwise directs, lie over one day for consideration; after which it may be read a second time, after which amendments may be proposed. At any stage of such proceedings the Senate may remove the injunction of secrecy from the treaty.
(c) The decisions thus made shall be reduced to the form of a resolution of ratification, with or without amendments, as the case may be, which shall be proposed on a subsequent day, unless, by unanimous consent, the Senate determine otherwise, at which stage no amendment to the treaty shall be received unless by unanimous consent; but the resolution of ratification when pending shall be open to amendment in the form of reservations, declarations, statements, or understandings.
(d) On the final question to advise and consent to the ratification in the form agreed to, the concurrence of twothirds of the Senators present shall be necessary to determine it in the affirmative; but all other motions and questions upon a treaty shall be decided by a majority vote, except a motion to postpone indefinitely, which shall be decided by a vote of twothirds.
2. Treaties transmitted by the President to the Senate for ratification shall be resumed at the second or any subsequent session of the same Congress at the stage in which they were left at the final adjournment of the session at which they were transmitted; but all proceedings on treaties shall terminate with the Congress, and they shall be resumed at the commencement of the next Congress as if no proceedings had previously been had thereon.
http://www.rules.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=RuleXXX
How is this possible?
Thanks, I posted before I saw your comment.
Just one more thing to hang over the democrats head for the 2014/2016 elections.
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Considering this administration is immune to the law, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them hold a “GUN BUYBACK” for cash, and “Voter Registration” and “Voter Assistance” on election day, adjacent to the polling place.
Neah. I think they gotta have a quorum - 51 Senators.
So they could ram it through with 34 votes.
Who would’ve thought Kenyans would’ve been so useful and expendable to this admin.
I don’t really think they’ll go as far as I was suggesting.
But, for the sake of argument, the Senate rules repeat the same wording as the Constitution:
(d) On the final question to advise and consent to the ratification in the form agreed to, the concurrence of twothirds of the Senators present shall be necessary to determine it in the affirmative;
and does not mention a quorum.
I think that the regime will start to issue orders and regulations as though the treaty was ratified. I also expect a couple of governors to sign on and do the same in their states.
Sign away pal. It’s not going to matter.
Treaties not only do not “trump” the Constitution, they don’t trump State Constitution’s either. This was what was spelled out as the understanding of the states before the Constitution was ratified. What’s more it was this understanding that the states had that convinced them to actually ratify the Constitution.
http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2013/06/06/do-treaties-trump-the-constitution/#.UkHbdX8kIYI
SecState is the country’s representative abroad.
They sign treaties, and the Senate confirm.
I doubt they’d pull that either but I agree with you that the turkey and his supporters will ignore that the treaty hasn’t been ratified and do as they please.
By 0bummer’s previous actions he’s already shown us he’s capable of that.
If there was ever any question about the intentions of every single one of those domestic enemies masked as democrats, let this set that aside.
If this does not motivate people to come out and vote to defeat every last stinking one of those filthy US hating miserable communists, and NWO liberals masking themselves as Republicans, I don’t know if anything can.
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