The Presidential eligibility of Ted Cruz

8/29/13 | Lakeshark

[Lakeshark]

The Presidential Eligibility of Ted Cruz

Got your attention yet? I have a modest proposal for ALL FReepers concerning this issue, but let me explain why there is a proposal at all.

The last couple of weeks our venerable and sainted media (peace be unto them) has decided to, after all these years of silence, bring up the issue of Presidential eligibility. The strange appearance of article after article would make you think they were about to expose the birth certificate of messiah Bambi from a Kenyan hospital and show proof of a renouncement of his citizenship while in Indonesia .

Alas, no it’s not about the eligibility of our current fearless reader, instead it’s about the eligibility of Senator Ted Cruz. For those of us hiding under rocks, Ted Cruz just happens to be one of the finest conservatives to hold office. He’s smart, engaging, persuasive, handles MSM traitors journolists like pathetic kindergartners begging for more candy, presents conservatism naturally as a compelling counter to totalitarian leftismliberalism, plus he really wants to move the country to the right normal place of excellence it once was.

Right now, Ted Cruz is trying to rally the GOP to try to defund Bambicare. He is lobbying for it in the Senate, the House, and more important is rallying the GOP voters to sign a petition urging all GOP members of Congress to join the effort to defund this monstrosity. He is in the breach, fighting the good fight, he is the spearhead of this effort. With this and other efforts he appears to have risen to the top of the leadership of conservatives in America. He has the ear and confidence of most conservatives at this point.

So, does anyone hear believe the MSM is interested in simply following the Constitution when they bring up the question of his eligibility? If you do, read no further. If you don’t believe the MSM wants us to be fighting amongst ourselves at this point, read no further.

Based on what I’ve said above: Here is my proposal:

As conservatives, as FReepers, let’s no longer do what the MSM/Soros/democrat complex wants us to do on this issue, namely fight over the eligibility of Ted Cruz and divide the conservative movement at this crucial time. For those of you who believe he is not eligible, understand these two facts:
1. Senator Cruz has not declared for a presidential run at this point, so there is NO issue. Kindly stop making it an issue, particularly right now. Stop. Cease. Desist. It is not important, he’s not running yet. Kindly don't post articles from the MSM or comment on said articles if they are only about the eligibility of Ted Cruz.
2.You are doing the bidding of the MSM/Soros/democrat complex when you do so. They’ve made it clear they want to divide us on this issue, don’t take the bait. Also, see 1. above. Kindly realize that when the Wa ComPost runs 12 articles in 2 days about this issue, it’s not to help conservatives unite.

For those of us who think he is eligible. Remember number 1. above: He is not yet running, there are more important things to do right now. If you see someone on the opposing side, I suggest you link them to this proposal and ask them if they want to continue to divide conservatives during this crucial time, ask them if they really want to carry the water of the media/Soros/democrat complex.

So here again to all: Let’s call a truce on this issue. Not to surrender your beliefs, no one has to do that yet, he is not running. Rather, let’s unite behind the conservative principles that Cruz is pointing us all to, particularly let’s unite to ask the GOP to defund Bambicare. It’s important to do so rather than to quibble over what is at this time, a nonexistent issue ginned up by our domestic opposition.

Thank you for your support.

[Jim Robinson]

Fine. Do it. Meanwhile, stay the hell off of Cruz’s back and the backs of us who support him to the hilt on FR!! Those of you who wish to form an anti-Cruz website somewhere else be my guest, but you’re not going to destroy his (and our) chances here!!

[Norm Lenhart]

Where am I on his back? I think you misunderstand me completely. Not once have I EVER railed Cruz here or anywhere.

[Jim Robinson]

Well, there are plenty of hard cases here jumping all over us for supporting Cruz. I’m just giving plenty of advance notice that they may soon be looking for a new home. If Cruz decides to run and he’s the strongest conservative running, I’ll be supporting him 100%!! FR will become Cruz Country and anyone who doesn’t like it can bail out. I’m all for conservative patriots like Cruz and Palin. The weak-assed, boot-licking, open borders, homo pushing, big government-loving GOP statists can KMA!! ALL of them!!

[Norm Lenhart]

And I am not one of them, nor will I be one of them. I am in TOTAL support of Cruz on everything I have seen from him so far, but this issue will come up and it’s out of our control.

I have not and WILL not slam him, trash him or anything else. I have not and will not get into a pissing match arguing that he ‘can’t’ or Won’t be president. Here or anywhere else. So far he looks like the best chance America has.

None of that will stop the dems and the GOP from using it against him Jim. And doing it when it matters most. That’s all I have said and all I intend to say.

[P-Marlowe]

I began my mostly adversarial relationship with FR birthers in 2008 (after having been one of them for a short time) because I thought some of their conclusions and theories damaged the reputation of FR and conservatism.

Me too. But eventually I realized that we were kicking against the pricks. FWIW, even if BHO was born in Kenya, he would still be a NBC because his genetic father was obviously Frank Marshall Davis who was a Citizen.

I brought up a point that pro-life Birthers should consider. TED CRUZ WAS CONCEIVED ON AMERICAN SOIL!

Now to all you pro-life Anti-Cruz birthers out there, when does the Natural Born Citizenship attach?

Is it when life begins or at the time of birth? If there is some claim to Natural Law imputing citizenship, then it attaches at the moment of conception and the place of birth would be irrelevant. And if an American woman goes from Buffalo to Toronto to get an abortion, did she abort an American or a Canadian?

FWIW, that part of the Foreign Affairs manual was written long before Hillary Clinton. It’s been the official position of the U.S. government for a long time.

And their position is that they don't have a position. Which leaves Ted Cruz eligible.

There is not a court in this country that would rule otherwise and IMPO the courts have no jurisdiction to make that ruling anyway. It is up to the States to qualify the candidates, the electors to choose a qualified candidate and the congress to certify the results. The SCOTUS has no authority to rule that Ted Cruz was not eligible to be president once he has been certified by congress. The certification acts as unrebuttable proof of eligibility.

IOW, no court can refuse to recognize that certification.

[SirPeredur]

Please note the next section which seems to have been added only 10 days ago. Some FReepers have postulated that statutory citizenship at birth abroad is “naturalization”, making Cruz ineligible. This note seems to say that he is.

It is very suspicious that this was added so recently. I suspect that FAM writers are lurking here.

7 FAM 1131.6-3 Not Citizens by “Naturalization”
(CT:CON-474; 08-19-2013)
Section 101(a)(23) INA (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(23)) provides that the term “naturalization” means “the conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth, by any means whatsoever.” Persons who acquire U.S. citizenship at birth by birth abroad to a U.S. citizen parent or parents who meet the applicable statutory transmission requirements are not considered citizens by naturalization.

[BuckeyeTexan]

I know you will! :)

One of the things I like most about you is your tendency to let things play out until it’s time to make a decision and then you don’t hesitate to make it. At first, I didn’t understand why you tolerated certain conflicts on FR. Then I figured out that you were weighing the facts in evidence before making a judgment.

[Jim Robinson]

Of course the hypocritical democrats and GOP-e RINO cowards are going to go after Cruz on this issue. Just like they’re going to go after him on his every conservative stance.

But no thank you. The dems and the GOP-e RINOs are not going to have a partner against conservative patriot Cruz on FR!! Even if we’re standing alone!! But we won’t be. The grassroots tea party (or most of it) will be right there with us.

[C. Edmund Wright]

Thanks....very rational and slight disagreement....which I always welcome!

[BuckeyeTexan]

Yes, I know. I was the one who posted that on the day it was modified. You can see the previous version of that FAM text (12-13-2010) if you look at xzins's post #56 here.

[C. Edmund Wright]

I brought up a point that pro-life Birthers should consider. TED CRUZ WAS CONCEIVED ON AMERICAN SOIL! Now to all you pro-life Anti-Cruz birthers out there, when does the Natural Born Citizenship attach?

There is only ONE flaw in P Marlowes argument...which is.... I DIDNT THINK OF IT FIRST DAMMIT!!! /s

Now, folks, this is what you call game, set, match.....

[BuckeyeTexan]

Good points. I will consider them.

[P-Marlowe]

There is only ONE flaw in P Marlowes argument...which is.... I DIDNT THINK OF IT FIRST DAMMIT!!! /s

Feel free to steal it for any of your columns. Nobody knows who I am and I am not claiming any copyright for anything I post here.

Well, the NSA knows who I am, but other than that....?

[little jeremiah]

even if BHO was born in Kenya, he would still be a NBC because his genetic father was obviously Frank Marshall Davis who was a Citizen.

And you're calling ME nuts? GGA. And this insanity:

I brought up a point that pro-life Birthers should consider. TED CRUZ WAS CONCEIVED ON AMERICAN SOIL!

You are stark raving barking mad.

[BuckeyeTexan]

He wasn’t aware that he had Canadian citizenship. So I’m not sure if he is totally aware of his situation. However, I agree that if he thought he were ineligible, he would do the honorable thing. He’s a good man. I voted for him in the primary and in the run-off and donated money to his campaign. I support him 100%.

[Baynative]

"Let’s make this simple."

Semantics aside, Barack Obama has subjectively changed the importance of and the impact of the US rule of law. If it is true that Cruz is "hispanic" through his heritage, then anyone who questions his eligibility is a racist
...or, doesn't that work for conservatives?

[little jeremiah]

placemark

(I’ll try FR and see if the whole threads post yet)

[little jeremiah]

placemark

[BuckeyeTexan]

Now to all you pro-life Anti-Cruz birthers out there, when does the Natural Born Citizenship attach? Is it when life begins or at the time of birth? If there is some claim to Natural Law imputing citizenship, then it attaches at the moment of conception and the place of birth would be irrelevant.

Well, the place of birth is not irrelevant, but ...

Did you know that the Foreign Affairs Manual does consider conception as relevant to a claim of jus sanguinis citizenship? Yes, indeed. For example, when there is a surrogate mother who gives birth, the FAM instructs that the claimant must prove who provided the egg and the sperm! Such a child is also considered born out of wedlock.

[noinfringers2]

What I think and believe is relevant to me and perhaps to others who have commented. To you what I think and believe is not relevant and so be it; neither you or I make up the universe.