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U.S. schools face tough decisions on Obamacare benefits
Reuters ^ | August 14, 2013 | By Yasmeen Abutaleb

Posted on 08/14/2013 5:20:51 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Hit by years of budget cuts, some U.S. public school boards are looking to avoid providing health benefits to substitute teachers and supporting staff under President Barack Obama's reform law, education officials say.

According to the law, employers will have to offer health coverage to all full-time employees, defined as those who work an average of 30 or more hours per week each month, or else pay a fine starting in 2015.

In Indiana's Fort Wayne Community Schools district, one of the state's largest, administrators reduced hours for 610 of its 4,050 employees, including substitute teachers and support staff, who were working 30 or more hours a week.

Most of the employees affected are substitute teachers, classroom aides, cafeteria workers, bus drivers or similar support staff, according to school officials and labor representatives.

In Nebraska, the Plattsmouth Community School District is limiting the hours of permanent substitute teachers.

"It creates a lot of inconsistency in staffing, and I can't see how that would be good for students," Wehrbein said. "How could you have a teacher teaching English four days a week and then on the fifth day you have someone else?"

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: democrats; failure; obama; obamacare; parttime; pelosi; pelosicare; publicworkers
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1 posted on 08/14/2013 5:20:51 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

how can teachers be considered full time anyway?...they work half a year..


2 posted on 08/14/2013 5:23:16 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

the teacher and bus driver and school worker unions all lobbied for this bill

within 2 years this nation will have an entire new class of 29-hour week workers


3 posted on 08/14/2013 5:25:31 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Fire the “administrators” that don’t teach.


4 posted on 08/14/2013 5:36:48 AM PDT by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

There are ways around these kinds of issue.

Businesses have been using temp services for decades to find part time employees and also as screening services for potential full time slots.

Many school districts also use temp services to supply them with teacher aids, substitutes, etc.

Temp services thrive in these kinds of economic environments.


5 posted on 08/14/2013 5:40:02 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: TomGuy

Largest employers in the US:

1. Walmart
2. Kelly Services (staffing)


6 posted on 08/14/2013 5:43:00 AM PDT by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: TomGuy

In France, virtually everyone is a temp.

You don’t dare hire anyone to your payroll, as you are on the hook for a fantabulous smorgasbord of Government-mandated benefits. And you are never ever ever allowed to fire them for any reason.

Randstad is a Dutch staffing agency, one of the biggest in the world. The EU provided them lots of opportunity to build their business.


7 posted on 08/14/2013 5:53:03 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: silverleaf

within 2 years this nation will have an entire new class of 29-hour week workers...

How French. They are, however, exemplars of the Protestant work ethic compared to the existing class of Americans who see no reason to work to obtain food, housing, education, transportation, cell phone service, contraception or medical care.

29 hours of work per week sounds positively exhausting to the new privileged class of American voters who, by virtue of their complete inability to do anything productive, have been embraced by the political leadership in the US as exactly the people who can keep the incumbents where they are (and want to be...because frankly the incumbents also think 29 hours of work per week is ahelluvalot.)

Then there is the new class of serfs in this inverted case of neofeudalism: skilled people compelled by law to support the unskilled and miscreants (politicians are a subset of this genus) who do not work. In other words, the skilled and productive get to (read: “are permitted by the system to”) support their own families...and everyone else, too. They also get to pay for their enforcers, legal and administrative hacks of the system (yes, this includes the police), who keep them in line— If we don’t make the scheduled transfer payments to the unproductive voters, they will resort to violence...you don’t want that do you? Just shut up and work.

Everyone who thinks this ends well, please raise your hand.


8 posted on 08/14/2013 5:56:34 AM PDT by ameribbean expat
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To: silverleaf
Actually, I think something else is going to happen. There is going to be a burgeoning new line of work for staffing agencies who will match pairs of part-time employees with pairs of prospective employers who need full-time help. In the case cited here, the staffing agency will contract with one school district to provide a bus driver for no more than 29 hours per week, then contract with a neighboring district to provide the same bus driver for no more than 29 hours per week.

I understand some fast-food chains have already begun to look into the possibility of these staff-sharing arrangements. The same employee can work up to 29 hours per week at McDonald's and then another 29 hours per week at the Pizza Hut across the street.

Within 2 years this nation will have an entire new class of 29-hour week workers.

It is more likely that within two years this nation will have an entire new class of workers who work up to 58 hours per week on a full-time basis but aren't considered full-time employees by either of their employers.

9 posted on 08/14/2013 6:06:45 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: ameribbean expat

Partial Government control of the National Medical Economy is Socialism.

There is partial Liberty with Socialism.

Total Government control of the National Medical Economy is Communism.

There is no Liberty with Communism.

Conservatives are dedicated to conserving Liberty.

The RINOs who support whole or partial Government Control of the Medical Economy are either Socialists or Communists.

Conservatives should not donate money to these RINO Socialists or Communists.


10 posted on 08/14/2013 6:13:37 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Alberta's Child

interesting and quite plausible

peasants who work 58 hours a week to survive have far less time to engage in potentially subversive activities like raising their children at home with govt-unapproved values, wasting fossil fuel by moving around the country in cars, and engaging in acts of political dissent like Tea Party rallies


11 posted on 08/14/2013 6:21:35 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: sickoflibs; ken5050; thouworm; TADSLOS; Grampa Dave; stephenjohnbanker
Rep. Diane Black (R-Tenn) wants to eliminate O'care's "navigator program"---which gets a hefty $54 million tax dollars, just for starters. Cong Black asserts it’s ripe for fraud and abuse, violations of privacy and identity theft.

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Here's how massive insurance fraud was easily pulled off in a NJ school district.

The Supt was arrested in the fall of 2010 and charged with 17 counts of bribery, mail fraud and wire fraud. Authorities say that while serving as superintendent, he and a Maryland insurance broker concocted a scheme to inflate school insurance charges and kick back part of the money to the Supt as bribes.

The two are accused of concealing more than $1 million in bribes from insurance brokers and other service providers. The company served as the insurance broker for the school district from 1978.

Court documents say the two men spent money on home renovations, watches that cost tens of thousands of dollars, and other personal expenses and bought a girlfriend - also on the school district payroll - a car and other gifts, including money for the college tuition of one of her relatives, according to court papers.

A federal investigation of the broker has to do with municipalities and school plans---the broker is under state indictment for allegedly bilking $2.6 million from one NJ school and more than $200,000 from the muni, and was indicted by a federal grand jury. The broker's son-in-law and a second business partner were charged with stealing $216,000 for a nonexistent muni wellness program for city workers.

A state grand jury issued an indictment in July charging the insurance men with a host of charges including money laundering, conspiracy, forgery and theft by deception.

Authorities said they bilked $2.6 million from the NJ school over a six-year period.

A third insurance man pleaded guilty to theft by deception and false representation for a government contract in the same scheme targeting the school district. The co-conspirators are alleged to have lied to the school’s insurance carrier, Cigna.

The fraudsters biggest lie----they told underwriter Cigna that the school board authorized the insurance carrier to pay fees on behalf of the school board from its medical claims bank account for health care related programs and services that never existed, authorities said.

That money, stolen from Nov 2003 to July 2009, went into accounts controlled by the insurance broker, the indictment alleges.

12 posted on 08/14/2013 6:30:58 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Hit by years of budget cuts,

Bald-faced lie.

School funding is at an all-time high.

You don't get that with 'years of budget cuts'.

/johnny

13 posted on 08/14/2013 7:12:41 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; Liz; stephenjohnbanker; Ernest_at_the_Beach

We need a dose of reality when we look at Obama Care.

Here is a simple way to look at it:

The answer is simple. It is basic like why did Willie Sutton rob banks. The answer is simple, that was where the money was.

Why do progressive crooks/sham artists want to control and “manage” Obama Care.

The answer is simple, “That’s is where the money will be.” They will be able to get big salaries for themselves, their family members, friends and voters, while plundering our tax $’s for them and their buddies.”


14 posted on 08/14/2013 8:54:49 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Obozo and his thugs in his outhouse lie 24/7/365. They are unable to tell the truth.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Yes, what they call “budget cuts” in real life people call “not as big a raise as I wanted”.


15 posted on 08/14/2013 9:38:01 AM PDT by wrencher
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To: silverleaf

Actually, make that 58-hour per week workers.

Few people currently working 40 hour weeks can afford to take a 25% pay cut. So they’ll take second jobs. My guess is that a lot of the impacted employers will mandate a 29 hour per week total (so bother minimum and maximum hours). Forcing people who can’t survive on a 29 hour per week psycheck into two 29 hour jobs at different employers.

This will also effectively kill time and a half overtime at those employers ...


16 posted on 08/14/2013 9:45:32 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Grampa Dave; Oldeconomybuyer; Liz; stephenjohnbanker; Ernest_at_the_Beach

” The answer is simple. It is basic like why did Willie Sutton rob banks. The answer is simple, that was where the money was.

Why do progressive crooks/sham artists want to control and “manage” Obama Care.

The answer is simple, “That’s is where the money will be.” “

Nailed it!


17 posted on 08/14/2013 10:20:55 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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To: Grampa Dave; stephenjohnbanker
FR POSTED 8/13---OKLAHOMA WINS FIRST OCARE BATTLE: AG Pruitt--- Obamacare was meant to be so open-ended that it could mean anything. We are seeing thousands of pages of new rules being written, both by HHS and the IRS.

The open-ended interpretation of Obamacare enables this.....if the law doesn't contain a particular provision, no problem. They just make it up as they go along.

Such is the case that involves the winning Oklahoma lawsuit....... “The court rejected the federal government’s argument that Oklahoma lacked standing to challenge the law, allowing us to proceed with this pivotal case,” “We’re optimistic the court will recognize what states have known for months that the IRS disregarded the law by making the large employer mandate effective in Oklahoma or in any of the 33 other states without a state health care exchange.”

REFERENCE Oklahoma challenged implementation of the Affordable Care Act after the IRS finalized a rule that would allow the federal government to punish “large employers,” including local government, with millions of dollars in tax penalties in states without state health care exchanges, which is not allowed under the health care law.

“Congress provided a choice for Oklahoma and other states in implementation of the health care law, and the IRS is attempting to take that away by rule,” General Pruitt said.

“The administration miscalculated how many states would support this law, so now they’re using the IRS to push through provisions that Congress did not pass."

18 posted on 08/14/2013 11:36:49 AM PDT by Liz
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To: TomGuy
Many school districts also use temp services to supply them with substitutes (etc)...

Here's the problem Oftentimes, substitutes end up in full time positions if a job opens during the school year or if a teacher has a long-term leave or illness. During the past decade or so of bad job opportunities, a lot of people have used that substitute pay to support families. Around here, even with the generous Cleveland substitute pay, one working every day (almost impossible) would earn less than $30,000 for the school year, but no health insurance for most.

If it goes through an agency, that agency gets a cut and the substitute gets less money. Besides that, it would be social security instead of teacher pension and that substitute would no longer be in the union. You might hate unions, but would anyone in their right mind go into a city public school classroom without union legal backing?

Meanwhile, the regular teachers keep getting their large salaries and benefits. Besides that, a lot of these substitutes are really good teachers who got trapped by the bad economy. What happens to them?

19 posted on 08/14/2013 11:50:09 AM PDT by grania
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To: Liz

Thanks for the info.


20 posted on 08/14/2013 11:50:30 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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