That'd be me, lower right.
Posted on 08/12/2013 1:22:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
My first and best solution to the potential problem is to avoid New York and other states where people have to fear their government.
Guilty until proven innocent. “Come on! Confess your sins!”
This is ultimate goal of zero-tolerance as well. If you kill someone who is in the process of killing you, you are no better than the person you killed.
See how that works?
So the conservation officer conducted a quick investigation and the two troopers didn’t/wouldn’t as to the validity of this man’s story.
Something isn’t being told.
May as well devise a method to eliminate the impressions the breech face will make as well.
THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK STATE [ET ALII] INFRINGEMENT OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT RE PISTOLS ETC.
1775 BOSTONIANS BEAR ARMS INCLUDING PISTOLS
``After the Battle of Lexington, British General Thomas Gage occupied Boston, Massachusetts. After negotiating with the town committee, Gage agreed to let the inhabitants of Boston leave town with their families and effects, if they surrendered all arms. While most of the residents of Boston stayed, those who left under the agreement surrendered 1778 firearms, 634 pistols, 273 bayonets, and only 38 blunderbusses``.[14]
14^ Abiel Holmes (1829). The Annals of America, Volume II. Hillard and Brown. p. 242-— http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blunderbuss
Shades of OK Corral!
1813 Andy Jackson vs. the Benton Brothers Nashville pistol shoot-out with pistols
http://www.adena.com/adena/usa/hs/hs23.htm
1922 Raping of our Second Amendment Rights by NY State govt = 1922 no pistol permits required in NY State for the previous 137 years.
“Fort Niagara, July 30 :
Someone has said that with every reduction in our system of defense there must be a corresponding increase in the training of our citizens so that they will be ready to take ‘their place in the front line with a minimum of delay. If the Regular Army and the National Guard are “appropriated” into such a state of weakness and unpreparedness that they can no longer form the first line of defense, then it will be necessary, In event of war, to rush our citizens from home to battle line with little or no time for training. Because of this, the work that Is bring done, by the various Service Rifle and Pistol
Teams is of increasing importance and peculiar Interest centers on their training this year and on the National Matches which are to be held at Camp, Perry, Ohio, In September, The primary Idea In holding rifle and pistol competitions is not the turning out of winning teams nor the production of medal hunters -but to increase interest thruout the Service and among our citizens in the use of the rifle and pistol.
In so far as the citizen population becomes familiar with the use of these arms the work of training men in time of emergency is lessened, and the safety of the individuals and our country Increased.”-—
Plattsburgh Daily Republican Mon. July 31, 1922
1929 They knew it in 1929
Plattsburgh-Press Republican “Is Liberty Passing?
Probably much of our modern increase in crime can be laid to the fact that in the past quarter-century a vast number of acts, once innocent and legal, have been turned into offenses by legislation. Instead of a liberal, well-ordered legal code that permits every citizen to lead his own life so long as he does not tread on his fellows, we are burdened with a multitude of petty laws, many of them conflicting, and practically all of them bound by red tape. In a recent article, H. L. MENCKEN, editor of the American Mercury, said that “the bill of rights is on its last legs. . .
Step by step, at first cautiously but of late boldly, the learned justices have found reasons to sustain the wholesale destruction, first of individual rights, and then of state rights. Today the once free “American citizen is a mere subject. . .”
“What real crime there is, and no doub’t there is a great deal of it, could be easily enough handled under a simple, rigorous and swift legal and penal code. Once murderers and thugs found that technicalities and evasions were of no avail, and served only to hurry them to the hoosegow, crime would start down hill. Once the sob sisters and professional reformers were put in their place, real offenses against society would diminish. But to attempt to prevent crime at the expense of the law-abiding is a dangerous practice. The anti-pistol laws, for example, play directly into the hands of the criminal who is assured of an unprotected citizenry. And still more important, they are a menace to freedom.”
1931 AMERICAN LEGION STANDS UP FOR THE SECOND AMENDMENT BUT NY MAFIA GOVT PUSHES THEM DOWN
“Essex County [American]Legion Urges Repeal Of Pistol Law, Adoption Of Farm And Home Act, At Recent Meeting
At a largely attended meeting of the Essex County Branch of the American Legion held at Willsboro recently the following resolutions were unanimously adopted;
“WHEREAS, laws which seriously restrict the rights of honest individuals in the purchase, possession and use of firearms and particularly pistol and revolvers we opposed to the public interest and
“WHEREAS, it has proved impossible to disarm criminals by such laws, and
“WHEREAS, honest citizens should be permitted freely to possess and use pistols for self-defense, and
WHEREAS, a reasonable and patriotic program of national preparedness requires general familiarity with the use of firearms, and
“WHEREAS, the use of pistols in target shooting and In the woods, and fields affords pleasurable recreation to great numbers of lawabiding sportsmen,
RESOLVED, that the Essex County Branch of the American Legion favor the repeal of the harmful Sullivan Law and the enactment in its places of a reasonable statue on the lines of the “Uniform Law” which, without relaxing the penalties for the criminal use of pistols, will relieve law-abiding citizens of the heavy burdens and offensive restrictions and requirements which the Sullivan Law now imposes upon them, and be it further
RESOLVED, that a copy of the said resolution be forwarded to the State Department of the American Legion and recommend that they take such steps to carry out the provisions as set forth in the resolution, and copies also forwarded to Senator H. E. H% Brereton, and Assemblyman Fred L. Porter “
Dec 14 1931
Plattsburgh Daily Republican p 3
1931 illegal unconstitutional “PISTOL LICENSES’ APPLICATIONS HERE Surrogate, Charles H. Harrington has advised that the forms for applications for pistol licenses under the new law are now obtainable at his office. The applications are more detailed than formerly. The applicant must submit three photographs of himself taken within thirty days prior to the application. The fingerprints of the applicant must also be placed on the application. Finger prints are taken at the police department. If the applicant merely desires a pistol license to keep a pistol in his house he does not have to submit & photograph to us with his finger prints.”
-—Plattsburgh Daily Republican Nov 5 1931
1936 DOUBLE STANDARD ABOVE THE LAW GOVT HYPOCRITES
“MRS. ROOSEVELT CARRIES PISTOL
NEW YORK, March 7
(IP)Mrs. Franklin D. Roosevelt carries a long barreled pistol on her frequent motor trips about the country, friends said tonight, as a concession to the secret service and not because she fears for her own safety. “If you want to get her down on you “for good,” one of them confided, “just hint that she is afraid to travel alone.”
The President’s wife disclosed in New Orleans yesterday that she carries a pistol in her automobile and “can use it.” She added that she had the “same training with a pistol that the New York National Guard has.”-—
Mon. March 9, 1937 “Plattsburgh Daily Press”
1945 WAR TROPHY PISTOLS ARE LEGAL IN 1945
“Pfc. Roy S. Marsha , son of Mr. & Mrs. George Marsh, Crown Point, has sent a German pack, Italian bayonet, two Italian knives, with fascist insignia on the case, an Italian pistol, ...” Essex County Republican. 1945
2010 “The History Channel” broadcast “WWII HD”and DVD shows WW2 American soldiers bringing
home German pistols, rifles, bayonets, etc. as war trophies
1946 UNCONSTITUTIONAL NY STATE LAW EQUATES 2ND AMENDMENT WITH “HUNTING” ONLY
“Explains Law Prohibiting Use Of Army Rifles SARANAC LAKE
An explanation of the new state law prohibiting tHE use of automatic or auto-loading rifles in New York State, was issued recently BY Division Chief Game Protector Ray L,. Burmaster of Saranac Lake to acquaint sportsmen with
the law’s provisions. After July 1, 1946, it will be illegal for any person to use in hunting or possess in the fields or forests or on the waters of the state for any purpose, any automatic or autoloading firearm which contains (more than six shells at one time! in its magazine and chamber combined, or which has not been altered so as
to reduce the capacity of such firearm. The law does not apply to any law enforcement officer in the performance of his duties, or to the use of any auto-loading firearms using
.22 calibre rim-fire ammunition or to any auto-loading pistol having a barrel less than eight inches in length. The purpose of the law, it is evident, is to make illegal the use of wartime military weapons, a large number of which, especially the submachinegun type, are known to be in the possession of ex-servicemen.”-—
Thurs May 2 1946 Ticonderoga Sentinel
1946 ILLEGAL EX POST FACTO UNCONSTITUTIONAL NY STATE LAW BANNING LEGAL WAR TROPHIES
“Trophies to Be Made Legal in Program Under National Firearms Act
Machineguns and machine pistols, war trophies of foreign make, must be registered and deactivated to bring their possessions within the law.
For this purpose Treasury Department operatives will establish offices at police headquarters this morning and will maintain a 12-hour schedule for the next three days, from 9:00 a. m to 9:00 p. m.
Veterans possessing any firearm of foreign make can qualify themselves to keep their souvenirs lawfully by bringing them to police headquarters on any of the days today through Thursday.
After registrations, deactivation of the weapons makes them unserviceable but in no way mars the appearance of the guns as souvenirs. All guns are duly returned to their owners. Registration of guns is a nationwide program. Investigations made in recent months under the National Firearms Act have a bearing on the risk and problem of exceptionally dangerous war trophy weapons, brought or shipped to this country by veterans, falling into unauthorized hands by theft or unrecorded transfer and being put to unlawful uses never intended or contemplated by the veteran.
Already there have been committed a large number of major crimes in various sections of the country, where foreign automatic weapons, introduced as war trophies or souvenirs were used. The drive of the Treasury Department is aimed at preventing these weapons and firearms from falling into the hands of gangsters, racketeers, bank robbers and other types of criminals.”[BULLCRAP BALONEY!]
“The Alcohol Tax Unit, Bureau of Internal Revenue, is charged with the enforcement of the National Firearms Act, which provides a penalty not to exceed $2,000 or imprisonment not to exceed five years, or both, in the event a person is convicted of violating any provisions of
the Act. Veterans, register your foreign weapons today!” Nov 19 1946 plattsburgh press republican
Best advice is to avoid NY State, NYC (the big wienie), Chicago (target pit), Illinois, or any of the other Progressive states and cities.
Precisely. GZ trusted, and by all accounts KNEW, the local cops. The travesty here is that the system was working. Agenda driven outsiders screwed it up. Because of that reality, everyone now has to assume that the best course IS to button their lip and lawyer up.
Someone posted a comment on another article stating that they “had a cheap throw down” in case they need to shoot.
I explained that if they ever have a legitimate need to shoot a slick prosecuting attorney will subpeona their computer, find their online identities and use that statement against them.
They didn’t seem concerned.
Zimmerman’s cooperation with the police was not the problem.
You're exactly right, Responsibility2nd.
They should, but they won't. They are poor writers.
The conservation officer was not looking for an arrest and the two troopers were.
Years ago, Jeff Cooper delineated the “Color Code” and the “Principles of Personal Defense” in an effort to provide us with a logical model for one’s thinking on the subject of mental preparedness. I’d like now to go to the next step and apply the same logic to the issue of personal appearance and demeanor, as we all agree that, in the domestic defensive environment, avoiding a fight is preferable to winning one.
Layer One: Nonattendance. The best way to handle any potentially injurious encounter is:
Don’t be there. Arrange to be somewhere else. Don’t go to stupid places. Don’t associate with stupid people. Don’t do stupid things. This is the advice I give to all students of defensive firearms. Winning a gunfight, or any other potentially injurious encounter, is financially and emotionally burdensome. The aftermath will become your full-time job for weeks or months afterward, and you will quickly grow weary of writing checks to lawyer(s). It is, of course, better than being dead or suffering a permanently disfiguring or disabling injury, but the “penalty” for successfully fighting for your life is still formidable.
Crowds of any kind, particularly those with an agenda, such as political rallies, demonstrations, picket lines, etc are good examples of “stupid places.” Any crowd with a high collective energy level harbors potential catastrophe. To a lesser degree, bank buildings, hospital emergency rooms, airports, government buildings, and bars (particularly crowded ones) fall into the same category. All should be avoided. When they can’t be avoided, we should make it a practice to spend only the minimum time necessary there and then quickly get out.
“A superior gunman is best defined as one who uses his superior judgment in order to keep himself out of situations that would require the use of his superior skills.”
Layer Two: Functional invisibility. We all need to practice to art of “being invisible.” It is in our best interest to go our way unnoticed, both by potential predators and by the criminal justice system alike.
Whenever I travel, particularly to foreign countries, I endeavor to be the one that no one notices; no one recalls; no one remembers. I silently slip through the radar, leaving no trace, a nameless, faceless tourist. When in any public place, I try to be clean and well groomed, but I never wear bright colors, any kind of jewelry, or anything shiny. I smile a lot, but talk softly and as little as possible. As we say in the law enforcement business, “Courteous to everyone. Friendly to no one.”
Loud talking, bright colors, Rolex watches, etc will consistently accumulate unwanted attention. On the other end of the spectrum, tattoos, poor grooming, loud and offensive language, a slovenly appearance, etc will also garner unwelcome notice.
Layer Three: Deselection. Any successful predator has the ability to quickly screen potential victims, focusing in on the ones who look as if they will make good victims and rejecting those who either (1) look too strong for expedient victimization or (2) don’t conveniently fall into any particular category.
When invisibility fails, we need endeavor to be consistently deselected for victimization. We do this by making it a habit to appear alert, uninviting, self-confident, and strong. At the same time, we never loiter or appear indecisive. We are always in motion.
“Weakness perceived is weakness exploited!”
Layer Four: Disengagement: Our best interests are not served by any kind of engagement with potential predators. Successful disengagement involves posturing, bearing, verbalizations, and movement. It is in our best interest to disengage at the lowest reasonable force level, but we must simultaneously be prepared to instantly respond to unlawful force with superior force.
Potential predators, as they attempt verbal engagement, should be politely dismissed. Bearing and eye contact should always project strength and confidence. We should continuously be moving off the “line of force.” We should be observant in every direction, giving potential predator duos and trios the distinct impression that they will not be able to sneak up on us.
When predators are confused, they are unable to focus sufficiently to carry off their victimization. Therefore, never let a potential predator seize the agenda. Don’t answer his questions, and don’t stay in any one place very long.
Disengagement, separation, and exit are our immediate goals when we have been selected or are being seriously evaluated by predators. However, if there is to be a fight, the best one is a short one. If a predator menaces me with a gun or a knife, I know that, before it is all over, there is a good chance that I will be shot or cut. However, within that prison of circumstance, I also know that the faster I can end the fight, the less hurt I’m going to get! If there must be a fight, I must explode into action, moving smoothly and quickly, in an effort to confuse and overwhelm my opponent before he has a chance to process all the information I’m throwing at him.
Ultimately, we must “have a plan.” Potentially dangerous encounters must be thought about in advance. Decisions must be made. Skills must be practiced. Confusion, hesitation, and vacillation will always attract the attention of predators and simultaneously stimulate predator behavior.
- John Farnam
That'd be me, lower right.
“Safe Passage.” What about it?
As is clear from the you tube video, the police and "authorities" can take and twist ANYTHING you say to fit their agenda. Sadly, they can and do LIE to you in order to gain "information", implicate you in a crime or nudge/coerce a "confession" out of you. If you want to see overt examples of all of the above on an ongoing basis just watch ANY of the "interrogations" the police make on the series "The First 48". Although they are from totally different states and legal jurisdictions they all use the SAME TACTICS listed above!
It is interesting that the very moment the individual says "I have nothing to say, I want an attorney", the First 48 "investigators" immediately wrap up their interrogation because that is the law and they know it. I find it also interesting that the "investigators" are also usually very disappointed and frustrated every time the person being interviewed says he wants a lawyer. They so wanted a "confession"... it makes their job so much easier, even if they have the wrong person.
Given the proclivities of AG Holder and the PC police, it is best to say NOTHING to the police, ever except: "I wish to exercise my 5th amendment rights, I have nothing to say, I want my attorney."
AND, it was not ‘from day one’ that George was painted as a racist murderer. It was when the black racist, Eric Holder, decided to exploit the incident that the media lies and character assassinations began. THAT is the biggest lesson that should come from the incident. And why the sniveling racist bastard, Holder, has not been impeached and removed by the Congress is another shameful outcome.
In My book, Mr. Zimmerman will always be a hero. He protected his community and the world actually from the actions of a hood, a thief, a liar, an antisocial misfit an evil young man who would have eventually taken one or more lives in pursuit of his illegal activities living a criminal lifestyle. It is horrible that Mr. Zimmerman instead of getting a medal for his service to the community has had to go through this living Hell.
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