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Paul Ryan: GOP Plan Says Illegals Go 'On Probation' Then 'Get a Green Card'
CNS News ^ | 8/4/2013 | Terrence P Jeffrey

Posted on 08/06/2013 4:08:22 AM PDT by IbJensen

(CNSNews.com) - House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan said on CBS's "Face the Nation" on Sunday that the Republican-controlled House of Representatives would not take up the immigration bill that was approved by the Senate, but would instead take a "step-by-step approach" in which illegal aliens would go "on probation" before they were eventually allowed to "get a green card."

"So what we're going to do is take a step-by-step approach to get immigration right, not a big massive bill, but separate bills so people know what's in these bills," said Ryan.

"We don't have control of our border," said Ryan. "We don't know who is coming and going in this country. We need real border enforcement and that means we really don't trust the administration with discretion in this area. So we need a border enforcement law, first and foremost, that cannot be voided.

"We need interior enforcement and we need to fix our legal immigration system," said Ryan. "Right now, people come to this country based on family relations, not based on skills. Most other countries have a legal immigration system that's good for their economy, we should do the same.

"And when it comes to the undocumented, people who came here illegally, we want to give people a chance to get right with the law while respecting the rule of law, and that means not doing an amnesty," said Ryan. "So, we've got specific ideas that we're looking at on how to get people to come and get right with the law.

"That means go on probation," said Ryan. "You have to do certain terms of probation, and it's a one strike policy if you don't meet the conditions of your probation. Pay fines, pay back taxes, get a background check, learn English, learn civics and then make sure that we independently verify we've actually secured the border, we have our interior enforcement provisions like e-verify and a visa tracking system in place. Then and only then can that person get a legal work permit, no special path way.

"And if a person in this situation wants to get in the line to get a green card, they can get in the line like any other immigrant, only at the back of the line, because we want to be fair to that legal immigrant who did everything right in the first place," said Ryan. "We think that's the right way to go. That's the opposite of amnesty."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 113th; amnesty; deportthem; illegalimmigration; illegals; paulryanrino
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To: IbJensen

I’m glad the “back of the line” language gets used so often, because you can instantly know that whoever uses it is flagrantly, deliberately lying.


21 posted on 08/06/2013 5:12:10 AM PDT by Sloth (Rather than a lesser Evil, I voted for Goode.)
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To: IbJensen

Ok, fine. Let’s invade Mexico then. take the place over. if they can come and go as they please anyway, we may as well own the place.

We can keep the fence they have between them and Guatemala.


22 posted on 08/06/2013 5:14:11 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: IbJensen

Then, pass a law mandating border enforcement with existing laws.

Prove you [government] can manage that and the other things could follow. Until you [government] prove you can do that, all else is the same meaningless rhetoric we have heard since the 1980s immigration bill.

Otherwise, WE DON'T TRUST YOU [government].
23 posted on 08/06/2013 5:15:05 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: Gaffer

How many different passports do they get before they earn double-probation?

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24 posted on 08/06/2013 5:16:18 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: TomGuy

One more thing to consider with this nonsense: there has been a bit of noise now about raising the minimum wage, and by quite a bit. Can anyone not see a larger horde of people zooming for the borders here once they believe they will be making a minimum of $15 per hour? Of course they don’t realize, or care, that this will raise prices so the net affect will be zero but it will look good to the insanely stupid. Then again, Barackanomics will probably kick in and he will just freeze prices and not understand why there is nothing to buy and unemployment is 99%.


25 posted on 08/06/2013 5:20:50 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: IbJensen

They can't/won't do that because that would shut down the free flow of commerce. So what if that 'commerce' includes sex trafficking, drug trafficking, etc. Those are big business and you can bet there are payoffs at high levels.

It isn't so much about incompetence, it is about 'commerce' and funding those off-shore bank accounts of officials at many levels.


26 posted on 08/06/2013 5:21:31 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: IbJensen

That’s a lot of work for what is still amnesty, Ryan.

Close the border first, close the border now. Make us a nation that respects the rule of law again.


27 posted on 08/06/2013 5:22:46 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: IbJensen

FUPR!


28 posted on 08/06/2013 5:34:29 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: IbJensen

What career is Ryan going to follow when his butt is voted out of office?


29 posted on 08/06/2013 5:42:53 AM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/) Obama, do you hear me?)
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To: IbJensen

That can’t be voided?

Like congress and their staff having to participate in ObamaCare just like the rest of us?

Yeah, right.


30 posted on 08/06/2013 5:47:39 AM PDT by Nickname
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To: IbJensen

Say good-night, Paul.


31 posted on 08/06/2013 5:50:39 AM PDT by AdaGray (Primary Them All)
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To: sickoflibs; IbJensen; stephenjohnbanker; Tennessee Nana; Liz; TADSLOS; EXCH54FE
As my tagline says, giving them citizenship while allowing them (ilegals) to live and work here is pushing them to the front of the line, so Rubio and Ryan are outright lying.

This song and dance seems to be aimed at poorly informed constituents (and congresscritters who want to pretend that they are "against amnesty" of course).

32 posted on 08/06/2013 6:09:09 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: sickoflibs

The illegal aliens have never been here legally...

They have not ever earned immigration or a green card or citizenship

I’ve never been to Harvard...

Let’s see what Ryan has to say...

Paul Ryan: Harvard Plan Says Nana Goes ‘On Probation’ Then ‘Gets a Diploma’

After all...

It’s only fair..


33 posted on 08/06/2013 6:13:08 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

No dice, not unless it’s double secret probation.


34 posted on 08/06/2013 6:14:27 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: IbJensen

With the Democrats in power the rule of law has been suspended. All laws are being selectively enforced and used as tools to advance a political agenda.

The best thing the Republicans can do on immigration is dig in their heels and stop any legislation from moving forward.

And we can hope and pray that Americans will come to their senses for the next two federal elections.


35 posted on 08/06/2013 6:18:54 AM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: IbJensen
Paul Ryan and his people should stop wasting postage sending me letters asking for money.
Never again.
36 posted on 08/06/2013 6:18:57 AM PDT by novemberslady (Texas For President)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; IbJensen; stephenjohnbanker; Tennessee Nana; Liz; TADSLOS; EXCH54FE
RE :”As my tagline says, giving them citizenship while allowing them (ilegals) to live and work here is pushing them to the front of the line, so Rubio and Ryan are outright lying.
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This song and dance seems to be aimed at poorly informed constituents (and congresscritters who want to pretend that they are “against amnesty” of course).

Back in 2007 Bush, McCain, Tony Snowe all used those same argument as Ryan/Rubio are now, that paying a fine (back taxes???) and some probation period magically made a Green card and citizenship into something other than amnesty.

But clearly if they get to still stay here and get citizenship or even a green card that is a jump ahead.
Those waiting in other countries the legal way will be losing out to them. they wont be getting EITC and instate tuition discounts and minority Affirm Action status and on., while outside the country.

Now it is true that family members get a jump ahead too under the current system. That is a flaw.

37 posted on 08/06/2013 6:19:35 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: IbJensen

Every politician is playing this deceitful game with us.

If any criminal trespasser is allowed to stay in this country they must first be charged with the very first crime they committed and that was violating our sovereign borders. It is a felony and our politicians are making sure these sneak thieves are never charged with the proper crime.

WHY? Obvious, if they were charged for the crime they committed they could not vote.

ANY politician or government official who took an oath to support the US Constitution and allows any of these criminal trespassers to remain without being charged with that crime, must be, at bare minimum, removed from office.

Actually I would prefer to see some serious jail time for any government official who violates their oath to the Constitution.


38 posted on 08/06/2013 6:19:59 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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To: Tennessee Nana
RE :”The illegal aliens have never been here legally...”

Unless congress passes an amnesty bill, then ‘illegally’ magically becomes ‘legally’,
just like laws can turn two men committing sodomy magically into ‘marriage;’, same as our Moms and Dads

39 posted on 08/06/2013 6:26:39 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs

Bottom line is our gub’mint refuses to enforce current immigration laws now and sure as hell won’t enforce any amnesty laws later.


40 posted on 08/06/2013 6:42:04 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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