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To: Windflier
Seriously. Did you learn that from Obama? I just quoted verifiable historical facts from recent history to you, and you brush them off like I'm making it all up.

Like I said - apples and bowling balls. An invasion force to drive from power a foreign regime and a people being subjugated to 'fundamental transformation' BY their own government ELECTED by duped ignoramuses and ideologues - are totally different sets of 'facts' in relation to history and how a domestic people react to them.

If the Russkies or Norks parachuted into the country to conquer us via a Red Dawn scenario - then I would fully agree with your assessment of how we would react and the invaders wold not stand a freaking chance against the firepower of the citizenry.

But we're not talking about an invasion force of foreigners - we're talking about a rogue government that more than half this nation thinks is legitimate - and all it's unConstitutional acts and decrees are THE LAW OF THE LAND.

1930s Germany was very different than today's America,

Not by much. We're further down the road of debt insanity than Weimar was. The difference here is, Hitler CAPITALIZED on an opportunity to take total power. Obama and the MarxoFascists are CREATING THE OPPORTUNITY.

Until a dictatorial U.S. President figures out how to get the estimated 300,000,000 firearms out of the hands of 100,000,000 citizens, it doesn't matter how badly he wants to subjugate us through force. It can't be done.

We simply haven't hit our breaking point. The real pain and suffering hasn't hit us where we live yet. When it does, all bets are off.

The MarxoFascists are counting on it - that is why they are creating that scenario. Chaos and bloodshed will have the people screaming for someone to put things back to 'normal' and they will trade their birthright for a promise of bread.

Jefferson understood a crucial fact of human nature as noted in the Constitution "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

We are already becoming accustomed to tyranny. Any talk of resisting it is met with exclamations of incredulity and pronouncements of mental instability.

And it will, because today's crop of left-liberals doesn't know when to let up. They see what they think is the finish line, and they've abandoned their old modus operandi, which was a slow and steady, incrementalism.

Absolutely and positively correct. I think they are already there. I contend that they will make that last mistake - and at that moment we will be justified to resist by any and all means possible.

In the bargain, they've awakened the people, who are showing their alarm by pushing firearms sales into unprecedented ranges.

We will see whether or not this people have the long-term stomach for resistance. I'm sorry to say I have my doubts, we're too soft, fat and lazy - I learned that lesson myself being in a 3rd world hellhole. There is only so much we will suffer and endure because of our comfortable lives.

They're not stupid. They know we're going to snap, and they intend to be ready for it, but it's a fool's errand. The combined military forces of the planet can't overcome an armed citizenry 100 million strong, unless they resort to bombing the whole country back to the stone age.

Control the food, water, transportation and communications and organs of commerce - and you do not need to bomb a country into submission. You can starve them into it. Impoverish them into it. All under the color of law.

I'd say they're screwed any way you want to look at it.

Give us liberty or give us death... yes? We may have one option of liberty left us before it's all done - and that is to decide how we are going to go out. On our knees in a camp - or standing and dying free.

The Obama regime is not going to tolerate any dissent as time goes on, and they will use everything from food and water to all the EO's and laws to enforce it's will - all "legally". Just as John Roberts decreed ObamaCare to be.

102 posted on 08/05/2013 4:58:49 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR
Like I said - apples and bowling balls. An invasion force to drive from power a foreign regime and a people being subjugated to 'fundamental transformation' BY their own government ELECTED by duped ignoramuses and ideologues - are totally different sets of 'facts' in relation to history and how a domestic people react to them.

I agree, but that's not what you claimed. You even threw up a bunch of photos from the police manhunt after the Boston Marathon bombing to 'prove' your point that the American people will not resist a U.S. force of jack booted thugs sent to militarily suppress them.

That was disingenuous on your part, because the people of Boston voluntarily complied with what was, at the time, a government force sent to protect their lives and safety. Had that same force been sent to subjugate them through violent measures, you would have seen an entirely different response.

I will posit that the closest analog to what would happen in a martial law scenario, is the response of the thirteen colonies to the repression of the British Crown. It's not a perfect comparison, but I believe the energy and dynamics would be very similar.

In fact, they'd be much worse for the ruling class this time around, due to the fact that their jack boots would be ordered to exert violence against their fellow citizens. In the time of the revolution, the British forces probably considered the colonists to be 'the other'.

Not so with American forces of today. Their loyalties would be instantly torn by such an order, which would automatically produce mutiny up and down the ranks, and across every branch of service. An effort to impose martial law would more than likely stall right there.

But I digress. I'm addressing your original contention here, which I believe is faulty. Any attempt to subjugate the American people by force, will be met with an historic level of armed resistance. Given the lopsided odds, I wouldn't want to be a federal jack boot when it goes down. It won't end well for them.

If it ever even happens at all, which I seriously doubt.

106 posted on 08/05/2013 5:36:07 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: INVAR

I totally agree with you. We are off the cliff. I’m waiting for the starvation to begin. Shut off food to the major cities for 3-5 days, and you’ll have the total anarchy needed to declare martial law on the whole country. Then the individual confiscation of firearms will begin. Sure some will resist, but the left-wing media, already controlled by the regime will not report these instances. When this info does slip past them it will be classified as a few “kooks”.
By the time there is any kind of armed uprising, or organization, it will be too late. They’ll have the numbers on us.
I’m trying to prep my little area. If one of the rumored secessions were to take place I would go there, but until then I hunker down and watch the urban front lines.


145 posted on 08/06/2013 11:08:49 AM PDT by rikkir (Islam is evil...There, that should get DOJ interested in my cell phone!)
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