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Newt Gingrich sees major Mideast mistakes, rethinks his neocon views on intervention
The Washington Times ^ | 4 Aug 2013 | V

Posted on 08/05/2013 8:12:29 AM PDT by mandaladon

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a leading neoconservative hawk and staunch supporter of Israel, says the U.S. military interventions he has long supported to promote democracy in the Middle East and elsewhere have backfired and need to be re-evaluated. “I am a neoconservative. But at some point, even if you are a neoconservative, you need to take a deep breath to ask if our strategies in the Middle East have succeeded,” the 2012 Republican presidential hopeful said in an interview.

Mr. Gingrich supported the U.S. invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, but he said he has increasingly doubted the strategy of attempting to export democracy by force to countries where the religion and culture are not hospitable to Western values. “It may be that our capacity to export democracy is a lot more limited than we thought,” he said. Mr. Gingrich at times has expressed doubts about the U.S. capacity for nation-building, but he said he now has formed his own conclusions about their failures in light of the experiences of the past decade. “My worry about all this is not new,” Mr. Gingrich said. “But my willingness to reach a conclusion is new.” Mr. Gingrich said it is time for Republicans to heed some of the anti-interventionist ideas offered by the libertarian-minded Sen. Rand Paul, Kentucky Republican, and Sen. Ted Cruz, a Texas Republican, tea party favorite and foreign policy skeptic.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911truthers; afghanistan; gingrich; iran; iraq; newt; newtgingrich; politics; randsconcerntrolls; waronterror
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“I think it would be healthy to go back and war-game what alternative strategies would have been better, and I like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul because they are talking about this,” Mr. Gingrich said.........................I agree with Newt's point of view
1 posted on 08/05/2013 8:12:29 AM PDT by mandaladon
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In a June 24 column in The Washington Times, Mr. Paul wrote that Americans were told for many years that the radical Taliban would return to power quickly unless U.S. forces remained in Afghanistan. “Well, guess what, after 12 years, trillions of dollars, more than 2,200 Americans killed, and perhaps more than 50,000 dead Afghan civilians and fighters, the Taliban is coming back anyway!” Mr. Paul wrote............Exactly!
2 posted on 08/05/2013 8:13:48 AM PDT by mandaladon (The truth about Benghazi is all I want)
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To: mandaladon

bttt


3 posted on 08/05/2013 8:14:07 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: mandaladon

War game? Those aren’t chess pieces we’re sending overseas to get killed.


4 posted on 08/05/2013 8:17:54 AM PDT by Wolfie
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Their would be no issues here at all if we ‘intervened’ as we did from 1941-45 in a couple of locales...dont recall a peep from any of those areas in 75+ years....after our ‘intervention’


5 posted on 08/05/2013 8:22:26 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: Wolfie

In my opinion...there are only three legitimate uses for the US military:
1. to defend the US against enemy attack.
2. To defend vital US interests. and
3. To provide humanitarian aid during a natural disaster—and then only until civilian organizations can reach the scene. That’s it!


6 posted on 08/05/2013 8:23:14 AM PDT by mandaladon (The truth about Benghazi is all I want)
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To: mandaladon

I respect him for being able to rethink his views.


7 posted on 08/05/2013 8:24:32 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: mandaladon

To think, bombing the hell out of people in the guise of “democracy” actually back fires?

Should have gone into Afghanistan with 300k troops, finished off AQ and the Taliban quickly and once and for all, sealed the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan, and the military could have been out of there by 2006.

Going into Iraq was a stupid mistake by Bush and Cheney. A trillion dollars spent to give Iran a client state in the ME.


8 posted on 08/05/2013 8:29:06 AM PDT by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Eventually he had to. Few can support our activities around the world today.


9 posted on 08/05/2013 8:29:34 AM PDT by edcoil ("Thoughts become things - Think good ones")
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To: mandaladon

Better late than never. However, the problem is not intervening or intervening but HOW we intervene ie: WWI, WWII, Iraq vs Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan.


10 posted on 08/05/2013 8:31:51 AM PDT by Datom (Still runnin' "Against the Wind.")
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There no point in either Iraq war.

Anyone who declares themselves or is a “neo-con” should be immediately purged from the conservative movement as everything they have advocated for the last 15+ years has been wrong.

Bolton, Wolfowitz, Kristol, Cheney, etc should never be listened to again. Listening to them cost us trillions of dollars, thousands of lives, more expensive gas and has gotten us nowhere strategically.

Halliburton and Carlyle Group did quite well though


11 posted on 08/05/2013 8:33:48 AM PDT by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: edcoil

McCain will be last to come around.


12 posted on 08/05/2013 8:35:10 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Wolfie; Vince Ferrer

war games ... with books and computers

Newtie rethink his views?
Me thinks the GOP insiders smeared him good in ‘12 campaign so he is re-aligning himself with the grass-roots rebels. Cuz the insiders don’t want him.


13 posted on 08/05/2013 8:35:31 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: mandaladon

I don’t trust Newt.


14 posted on 08/05/2013 8:37:36 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Datom
Every step should be evaluated when sending our Military resources and equipment.

This stuff should not have a monetary value to it. If it does not support our interests then we should not proceed. Hindsight is always 20/20. We should look at this every month and make choices.
15 posted on 08/05/2013 8:37:56 AM PDT by Baseballguy (If we knew what we know now in Oct would we do anything different?)
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To: mandaladon

The problem with many neocons is that the light comes through too late for them.


16 posted on 08/05/2013 8:39:46 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: mandaladon

I’d suggest that we need to avoid both extremes: (1) intervening as much as we have; and (2) never intervening at all.

Never intervening at all has one big problem — what do we do if the bad guys keep intervening and expanding their captive territory? It happened before WWI with a bad guy named Adolph. Sooner or later, we’d have to call on the so-called “neocons.”


17 posted on 08/05/2013 8:41:41 AM PDT by Socon-Econ
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To: mandaladon

It’s funny, because in the late-90s, Bush and the GOP were arguing ‘against’ all the interventionist nation-building of the Clinton administration. It sounded like the Republican line was to get back to the solid conservative tradition of having a strong, defensive military, be less inclined towards foreign adventurism, and if-and-when ‘war’ became a necessity, go all-out for total victory and then leave.

We got the opposite. Anyway, the aspect that leaves the most bitter taste in my mouth is that while the Bush crowd was singularly obsessed by all this, the rest of the country has gone to utter hell... mind-boggling debt, ever-increasing government tyranny, and a culture that has dived headlong into the sewer with utter deviancy like fag marriage. The upshot is that I frankly no longer give a damn about anything to do with the Middle East.


18 posted on 08/05/2013 8:46:03 AM PDT by greene66
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To: mandaladon

“It may be that our capacity to export democracy is a lot more limited than we thought,” he said.

The UNDERSTATEMENT of the Millenium.

In Islam, there are only three possibilities: Anarchy, Theocracy, Military Dictatorship.

Its in our interests to support the latter as least harmful to us, as long as that military dictatorship serves OUR needs.

Islam is a totally evil, indefensible, anti-western fascist ideology. There are no such thing as “good” Muslims, just Muslims who practise their religion and those who are Muslim in name only. They are ALL dangerous.


19 posted on 08/05/2013 8:46:35 AM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/) Obama, do you hear me?)
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To: mandaladon

Well, when GWB left the office of Presidency, the world was not this screwed up. What we have had the past 4 1/2 years is neocon policies administered through Obama/Hillary/Kerry. That has been a recipe for disaster. They could not get massive military support for any neocon policies because they had railed against the second war on Iraq. So the only tool the neocons had was to fund rebels and terrorist with arms. The result is civil wars throughout the region. Iraq was stable when GWB left office.


20 posted on 08/05/2013 8:49:01 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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