Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 4 August 2013

Bureau of the Census: The Foreign-Born Population in the United States: 2010

39,956,000.

Agreed. Attrition thru enforcement should be the strategy. Our immigration system is not "broken." Here is what needs to be done specifically:

Advocate a pro-immigrant policy of low immigration. Conservatives need to provide the American people with their own comprehensive immigration reform plan, i.e., give people a reason to vote FOR something rather than just attack the other side’s proposals. Such a plan should contain the following elements:

 Formulate a merit based immigration system that brings in the skills and talents to keep us competitive in the global economy;

 Reduce immigration levels based on need more closely approximating 300,000 a year;

 Eliminate extended chain migration, i.e., family reunification, limiting it to the nuclear family,

 Secure the border;

 Enforce existing immigration laws to reduce the current illegal alien population and limit future illegal immigration, i.e., attrition thru enforcement. Enforcement would include: (1) ending the job magnet; (2) increasing coordination at the federal level by eliminating barriers to information sharing among agencies; (3) leveraging state and local enforcement resources; (4) fully implementing the US-VISIT Program to track and deport visa overstays; and (5) make mandatory and improve such programs as E-Verify and 287 [g] authority to assist employers and law enforcement in identifying illegal aliens;

 Eliminate birthright citizenship and the visa lottery program;

 Ensure that anyone who enters this nation illegally is not rewarded by being permitted to stay and work here; i.e., no amnesty;

 Streamline the processing and adjudication of immigration cases;

 Promote pro-immigrant measures that help newcomers assimilate and embrace the values and principles of our Founders and the Constitution.

What’s wrong with it is it’s reality! We need some “Change”.
Let’s hope we can get the commies out of govt.sometime in my lifetime.

I think after doing this stuff for 7 years and countless years at the State Dept. kabar has probably got the true numbers down.

Maica....I’ve known you so many years now on this forum.

so let me invite, here in public, to please come see me.

surely you sometimes go downey ocean, right?

Near Rehoboth Beach maybe?

I’m serious....would love to meetcha.

In my post #49 I provided a link to an article I wrote recently on the immigration issue. Whether you are aware of it or not, we have experienced over the past 40 years one of the greatest mass migrations in human history. We now have 40 million foreign-born in this country (a conservative figure). In 1970 one out of 21 was foreign born; today it is one in 8, the highest it has been in 90 years!

I am very aware of this fact. Yet you disputed my comment that our immigration system is broken and has been for at least 3 generations.

And do we really need 1.2 million legal immigrants every year when 20 million Americans are unemployed or underemployed? Immigrants use welfare programs to a much greater degree than the native born. They are helping to destroy our social safety net.

America needs to wake up to the facts about immigration. We prefer to romanticize it rather than analyzing its impact on our country. Legal immigration is more of a problem than illegal immigration. Demography is destiny.

No argument with your final statement. Your penultimate sentence is shocking. Perhaps you could consider that the one million legal immigrants invited to become citizens every year are replacements for the one million abortions of potential native-born citizens.

Why do you dismiss the illegal immigration as being less of a problem? Having had a career in the state dept, which has the task of authorizing visas to foreigners, I would have thought that people sneaking in with minimal negative consequences, would have really irritated you. Do you leave your own doors unlocked?

I am very aware of this fact. Yet you disputed my comment that our immigration system is broken and has been for at least 3 generations.

I asked you for specifics on what was "broken." The pro-amnesty, open-borders types say this all the time. It has become code for comprehensive immigration reform. Yes, we need some reform, but the system is not broken. It is just not being enforced.

No argument with your final statement. Your penultimate sentence is shocking. Perhaps you could consider that the one million legal immigrants invited to become citizens every year are replacements for the one million abortions of potential native-born citizens.

Nonsense. We are not having a population problem nor do we need a mass infusion of low skilled, uneducated immigrants. We have an abundant supply of our own. FYI: Our fertility rate is 2.06 children born/woman (2013 est.), which is just at about replacement level.

Yes abortion does affect our population growth. For example, there would be twice as many blacks as there are today. The black community is the biggest user of abortion services.

Why do you dismiss the illegal immigration as being less of a problem? Having had a career in the state dept, which has the task of authorizing visas to foreigners, I would have thought that people sneaking in with minimal negative consequences, would have really irritated you. Do you leave your own doors unlocked?

Illegal immigration is a problem more easily solved than legal immigration. At least twice as many legal immigrants enter this country annually as illegal aliens. They are mostly the same kinds of people. Legal immigrants can vote, receive welfare services, vote, etc. Their impact is far greater on our society.

Legal immigration has become the third rail of American politics. You can't discuss it without being described as a nativist and racist. Like the proverbial frog being boiled slowly alive on the stove, legal immigration is insidiously destroying this country. Immigration to America is a privilege, not a right, and our immigration policies should serve the best interests of this country.

If you want a chilling picture of how unemployment is affecting young Americans, read this: Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts? Try 95 Percent

"If you're a high school dropout you're talking about 30 percent working. Among high school grads who graduated from high school in the last three years -- we do a separate survey of them the fall after graduation -- 45 percent of them held a job, the lowest in the last 50 years we've been collecting this data. And to make it worse, of that 45 percent, only half of them were able to get a full-time job. Only one in five young high school grads, not in college, [is] working full-time.

And we are now talking about bringing in 33 million more legal immigrants over the next ten years--most of them with a high school degree or less. This is pure insanity on so many levels.

He [Rush] squelched the idea of a third party as being a guarantee of RAT dominance for eternity.
He has always been opposed to that, just like he has always decried people claiming to be political Independents.

The trouble is, the GOP does not even exhibit dominance when they own the Senate, the House and the Presidency. But all 3 keep moving leftward, just more slowly than the Dems.

Rush should declare that most "anti-third party premises" are wrong: right now, there aren't two parties. There's a majority party, with a bunch of GOPe, anti-tea party (NOT anti-Dem) careerists. A "Third Party" would be a "Second Party."

It is just not being enforced.

That is what I call broken. And I do not speak in code, I say what I mean. I am not for amnesty, I am not for any program that plans to bring in 33 million more immigrants in the next ten years.

Okay?

25 years ago my husband and I sailed into San Diego in our boat that had a huge Welsh Dragon painted on each bow, and a Canadian flag painted on each side of the hull at the stern. An INS agent surmised that we were sneaking in, in broad daylight, and harassed us for three days, hoping that he could fine us as the San Diego office had fined other Canadian flag yachts at about the same time.

I recognized that he was getting job satisfaction by harassing middle-class Caucasians, because the situation at California's border was uncontrollable -no job satisfaction at all.

That is what I mean by broken. Wheel-spinning, ineffectiveness, and bullying of the vulnerable.

That is what I call broken. And I do not speak in code, I say what I mean.

Marco Rubio, John McCain, Lindsey Graham,, Chuck Schumer, Dick Durbin, etc. also say that the system is broken. What they propose will not make it better, but rather, exacerbate the situation. When you adopt the lexicon of the left, you can expect misunderstandings as to where you stand.

I am not for amnesty

How do you define the word amnesty? Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio say their plan is not amnesty. Do you support Cantor's proposed bill on Dreamers?

I recognized that he was getting job satisfaction by harassing middle-class Caucasians, because the situation at California's border was uncontrollable -no job satisfaction at all.

Judge Dismisses ICE Agents' Lawsuit Challenging Obama's Deferred Action

"In his decision to dismiss the case, O’Connor, sitting in Dallas, Texas, nonetheless reiterated his view that DACA was inherently unlawful."

“Plaintiffs were likely to succeed on the merits of their claim that the Department of Homeland Security has implemented a program contrary to congressional mandate,” he said in his ruling."

The problem is that the political leadership of the Executive Branch will not let the agents enforce the laws despite the fact that the President has sworn to faithfully execute the laws of the United States of America.

The National Immigration and Customs Enforcement Council of the American Federation of Government Employees, includes at least 7,000 ICE agents and employees, voted a resounding 259-0 for a resolution telling management of their "growing dissatisfaction and concern" of Assistant Secretary John Morton, who now heads ICE. The vote of no confidence also reached to Phyllis Coven, assistant director for the ICE agency's office of detention policy and planning as well.

The resolution implied that ICE management had "abandoned the agency's core mission of enforcing U.S. immigration laws and providing for public safety," the voting body thought they (ICE leadership) were more likely "to campaign for programs and policies related to amnesty and the creation of a special detention system for foreign nationals that exceeds the care and services provided to most U.S. citizens similarly incarcerated.”

That is what I mean by broken. Wheel-spinning, ineffectiveness, and bullying of the vulnerable.

Bullying of the vulnerable? BS. Who are the vulnerable?

Broken means not in working order. Whatever laws have been in force for the past thirty years, have not been enforced properly, thus Not Working:Broken. Just like anything else that is broken, there are two choices: fix it or replace it. (Doing without, is not an option in this case. Our country has an obligation to control immigration.)

My comments to you have nothing to do in reference to the names of politicians that you cite. I have endorsed none of the proposed new laws. Every year I have wanted Congress to insist that our borders, and our visa over-stayers be monitored . Why do they not do that!

Vulnerable: people with something to lose, who will buckle to bureaucratic pressure.
For example: police set up radar traps on a Saturday morning on a stretch of road so safe that they can walk out in front of their car to wave down the “speeding” motorist. But they seem incapable of stopping real crime or crazy drivers.

Or

INS incapable of stopping organized fraud as they send ‘refund’ checks to fake bank accounts to the tune of billions of dollars, while they have dozens of lawyers harassing citizens applying for a tax-exempt status if their organization seems to be anti-statist.

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Broken means not in working order. Whatever laws have been in force for the past thirty years, have not been enforced properly, thus Not Working:Broken. Just like anything else that is broken, there are two choices: fix it or replace it. (Doing without, is not an option in this case. Our country has an obligation to control immigration.)

Pure sophistry. When the immigration laws are not enforced by the Executive Branch, which is sworn to do so, we don't have a broken laws that need to be fixed or replaced. What we really have is an impeachable offense and a supine Congress that refuses to anything about it.

My comments to you have nothing to do in reference to the names of politicians that you cite. I have endorsed none of the proposed new laws. Every year I have wanted Congress to insist that our borders, and our visa over-stayers be monitored . Why do they not do that!

Congress passed overwhelmingly the 2006 Secure Fence act, which was signed onto by Obama and Hillary. We also passed the 1996 US-VISIT Act that was supposed to track and deport visa overstays. Should these laws be replaced or enforced? I guess you would say they are broken.

INS incapable of stopping organized fraud as they send ‘refund’ checks to fake bank accounts to the tune of billions of dollars, while they have dozens of lawyers harassing citizens applying for a tax-exempt status if their organization seems to be anti-statist.

INS doesn't exist anymore--at least under that name. INS ceased to exist in 2003. Most of its functions were transferred from the Department of Justice to three new entities – U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), and U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) – within the newly created Department of Homeland Security, as part of a major government reorganization following the September 11 attacks of 2001.

IRS is the appropriate agency for collecting over-payments and fraud. The IRS AG has documented that over $4 billion a year are being sent to illegal aliens who file for EITC payments using ITINs. They even claim payment for dependent children living in Mexico. Again, this is primarily a matter of law enforcement. If you don't hold the people accountable for this enforcement of the law, then you get this result. Ultimately the American people are at fault because they keep on electing these same politicians who flaunt our laws.

Vulnerable: people with something to lose, who will buckle to bureaucratic pressure. For example: police set up radar traps on a Saturday morning on a stretch of road so safe that they can walk out in front of their car to wave down the “speeding” motorist. But they seem incapable of stopping real crime or crazy drivers.

Let's get back to immigration enforcement. The problem does not lie with the career government employees who want to enforce our laws. The problem is that there political betters will not allow them to do so. As someone who spent 36 years working for the government, I found it incredible that over 7,000 border patrol personnel approved unanimously a vote of no confidence against the ICE director and his deputy. This is unprecedented, but it doesn't seem to make anyone's radar.

I profoundly disagree with your proposition that harassment of "vulnerable" immigrants is going on. I know and talk to immigration officials and border patrol agents. They are angry and frustrated because they are not being allowed to do their job in accordance with the laws of the land.

PS: What is your definition of amnesty? You live in a sanctuary state (Maryland) that is being bankrupted by immigration. Do the laws need to be fixed or replaced?