Posted on 07/21/2013 5:34:04 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
Since Canadian born Ted Cruz has emerged on the scene in Washington as a future presidential candidate for 2016, attention has turned to whether he is Constitutionally eligible for Article 2 Section 1, the presidential qualification clause. This is what we know. Ted Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Many say that disqualifies him to be eligible for the presidency. Enter former Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm. She was born in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. I came across an interview she did with Fox News's Chris Wallace in February of 2010. During the interview Wallace brought up the fact that since she was born in Canada, she wasn't eligible to be president. Here is the transcript:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/21/transcript-fox-news-sunday-interview-future-gop/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+foxnews%252Fpolitics+%2528Text+-+Politics%2529
"GRANHOLM: No, I’m totally focused this year on creating every single job I can until the last moment. December 31st at midnight is when I’ll stop. So I have no idea what I’m going to do next, but I’m not going to run for president. I can tell you that.
WALLACE: Yes, that’s true. We should point out Governor Granholm is a Canadian and cannot run for president.
GRANHOLM: I’m American. I’ve got dual citizenship.”
With that said, I went to the biography of Jennifer Granholm and found that she was born to one American citizen and is indeed a dual Citizen who became 'NATURALIZED' as a U.S. Citizen in 1980 at the age of 21. Now this raises a question. How can a naturalized U.S. Citizen become president of the United States?
Continued below.
I do not jest. Anyone who litigates against Cruz must cite relevant case law that will be turned against zero instantly once any judge accepts it. Precedence.
Checkmate, sucka.
My youngest daughter was born in Japan to parents who were both natural born U.S. citizens. She was issued a U.S. Passport, consular birth certificate and social security card (Maryland number) upon our application for the same at the local U.S. Embassy. Our U.S. passports proved our U.S. citizenship. The birth certificates used to acquire those passports proved our natural birth. Our daughter’s certificate of live birth issued by the Japanese authorities with us listed as parents proved her natural birth and the only additional document which we had to supply (for some strange reason) was out marriage certificate.
Case law? I’ve cited statute.
Obama and Cruz are not comparable, Cruz was not born within the bounds of the US or territory while Obama, allegedly, was.
“Checkmate, sucka.”
What are you talking about? It’s not either/or: neither Obama nor Cruz are eligible.
“natural birth”? As opposed to caesarian?
PreambleWe the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
In my opinion, "natural born" is not a third category of citizenship, it is an additional qualification to be president.
You will note that the qualification to be a Representative or Senator is simply "citizen," but the qualification to be President is "natural-born citizen."
Question: Why add the extra criterion if there are only two classifications for citizen?
Answer: Because "natural-born" is not a classification of "citizen," it is an extra qualification to be met for the citizens who wish to become President.
The Preamble of the Constitution says "We the People of the United States, in Order to... secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
There is your constitutional definition of natural-born citizen right there at the beginning of the Constitution: "...ourselves [We the People] and our Posterity [future children]."
Natural born citizens are the children born of We the People, for whom the Constitution was ordained and established to secure. How else would they "secure the Blessings of Liberty" except by limiting the qualification for the highest office in the land to the citizen children of citizen parents?
Posterity means our children and our children's children.
The Constitution was ordained and established to secure the blessings of liberty to our children, their children, and their children's children, and so on and on.
Article II Section 1 Clause 5 codifies it.
-PJ
Do you have some evidence that one of Granholm’s parents was a US citizen at her birth?
It seems very unlikely. If that were the case, she could have claimed US citizenship by birth rather than being naturalized. Same as another Michigan governor, George Romney did.
What are you talking about? It’s not either/or: neither Obama nor Cruz are eligible.
U.S. law is clear.
A child born to U.S. citizen parents abroad who make proper application for a consular birth certificate is as natural born as a child born to U.S. citizen parents in Omaha.
Correct.
Are you 100% sure of your contention? Damn, I was all for Cruz to be Sarah’s VP! (I was all for Allen West as Sarah’s VP first, before Cruz, until I found out West voted for the anti-American Nazi Germany style NDAA, indefinite detention of American citizens thing. If he can walk that NDAA ‘aye’ vote somehow I will be back as a big time supporter of a Sarah/West 2016 ticket. I hope he can!!!!) So, are you positive on your stance on this? Reading all of the posts it looks like a lot of long time FReepers think you are wrong, that Cruz is eligible should he decide to run in 2016.
And also regarding Statute: if zero got around it, so can Cruz.
And here’s a nightmare story for you: Cruz is Hispanic and represents the majority thoughts and convictions of America’s patriot Hispanics.
“According to Judges presented with zero’s docs, both CRUZ and zero are eligible”
So you believe Obama is eligible.
A few posts ago you declared “Any ‘FR’eeper bothering with birtherism vis-a-vis Ted Cruz is a RAT OPERATIVE.” http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3045713/posts?page=83#83
Who is the “RAT OPERATIVE”?
so anybody can run for POTUS”
NO.........they cannot. They have to be eligible and have to be a natural born Citizen. There should be ZERO tolerance on this matter. Just because Obama slipped through doesn’t mean Cruz, Jindal or Rubio can. Cruz might be a good candidate but he is not eligible. You need to choose a candidate with two U.S. citizen parents. Post grandfather clause, all U.S. presidents have been born to TWO U.S. citizen parents except Chester Arthur and Obama. Article 2 Section 1 must not be subverted in any slightest instance. You should be ashamed of yourself for wanting to bend any law to allow Ted Cruz or anyone else to be president. Again..........he isn’t Constitutionally qualified.
“And also regarding Statute: if zero got around it, so can Cruz.”
There it is: expediency trumps law.
Cite the specific case law.
Such a weak argument..... The US constitution only has 4,543 words. It does not define anything and is not suppose to. Our founders knew what they were saying and so did everyone else. Until Obama ran for president, there was universal consensus as to the meaning of natural born citizen. That is why >>>>>>
1) Prior to the 2008 election, there were 8 separate attempts to change the meaning. (All failed)
2) President Chester Aruther who was the only other person not eligible and ascended to the office from the Vice presidency, continued to hide his origin. (Evidence of guilt)
There it is: expediency trumps law.
Therefore, to neutralize Zero, and his ilk that aspire to his position, we must temporarily play dirty with the rats until we can elect someone who DOES believe in the rule of law.
I don’t like it, either, but this ain’t beanbag anymore.
“””Cruz is a warrior for conservative American values, the constitution and is fighting the good fight against the current ruling elite which does not hold the same values.””””
TRUE
“”””Obama is trying to destroy American values, the American constitution and the nation itself.””””
TRUE
“””....Cruz is was naturally born a US citizen””””
NOT TRUE.... Although I wish he was
That a bank robber remains at large does not legitimate bank robbery.
Are you 100% sure of your contention?
Yes. Cruz was born outside the jurisdiction of the United States in a foreign sovereignty. Same thing with Gov Jennifer Granholm. Both had a foreign national father and American mother. The thing is Granholm had to nationalize in 1980 to become a U.S. Citizen. The question for Cruz is when did he?
Remember what Rep John Bingham, the father of the 14th Amendment stated:
“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))
Cruz and Granholm’s father held allegiances to a foreign sovereignty. They are NOT natural born Citizens, they are just Citizens.
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