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Can Quantum Mechanics Produce a Universe from Nothing?
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| 2/1/2013
| Jeff Miller, Ph.D.
Posted on 07/18/2013 10:36:09 AM PDT by kimtom
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To: kimtom
It seems Ben Bernanke, Obama et al can create fiscal solvency, seemingly. So why not create something from a nothing nothingness. Already been done.
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posted on
07/18/2013 10:51:02 AM PDT
by
Gaffer
To: kimtom
Christians argue for the creation of the universe
ex nihilio, which is not foreclosed by the prospect that the initial singularity arouse as a result of a fluctuation in the vacuum state [in fact, it is a scientific proof of creation from nothing,
by definition.]
If the laws of quantum mechanics existed: Who created the law? And why would creating laws which led to the initial singularity make God any less great than He is?
Arguing against materialism is ultimately an argument God, who uses material agencies, including law and meta law, and physics and metaphysics, to achieve His ends.
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posted on
07/18/2013 10:51:19 AM PDT
by
FredZarguna
(They Old School. We New School. We don't read cursive in New School. My Generation. We retahded, sir)
To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Multiple cosmologists (like Avi Loeb at Harvard Univerity) say that the universe had a beginning and will come to an end.
And I’ve been to the restaurants at both. ;-)
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posted on
07/18/2013 10:51:20 AM PDT
by
cuban leaf
(Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
To: JPG; All
So they are asking that for now we take this on....faith?
Like I said before, that which is to be confirmed must first be tested, and that which is tested must first be observed.
But how do you observe matter that is non-existent?
To: dfwgator
O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! Rom. 11:33
To: dfwgator
philosopher, Billy Preston sang, Nothing from nothing leaves nothing.....”
...or’ “you gotta’ have something........”
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posted on
07/18/2013 10:52:05 AM PDT
by
kimtom
(USA ; Freedom is not Free)
To: kimtom
It’s only been done once that I know of................
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posted on
07/18/2013 10:52:47 AM PDT
by
Red Badger
(Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
To: riverdawg
The “answer” is “No,” in the author’s opinion; and he is mistaken.
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posted on
07/18/2013 10:53:07 AM PDT
by
FredZarguna
(They Old School. We New School. We don't read cursive in New School. My Generation. We retahded, sir)
To: Black Agnes
And the cat s would be both dead and alive at the same time...............
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posted on
07/18/2013 10:53:51 AM PDT
by
Red Badger
(Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
To: Laissez-faire capitalist
“What happens ultimately to the scientific method?”
It’s as dead as the constitution, its all
scientific consensus now. No facts or proof needed,
just a bunch of ignorant jacka$$es with PhD’s who
agree. To them even honorary PhD’s count.
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posted on
07/18/2013 10:53:57 AM PDT
by
Slambat
To: Black Agnes
where would you put the litter box?
(or are these feral cats?)
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posted on
07/18/2013 10:54:03 AM PDT
by
kimtom
(USA ; Freedom is not Free)
To: kimtom; betty boop; marron; Alamo-Girl; CottShop; metmom; xzins; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; ...
Hope springs eternal. BEEP!
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posted on
07/18/2013 10:54:19 AM PDT
by
YHAOS
To: kimtom
According to the First Law of Thermodynamics, nothing in the Universe (i.e., matter or energy) can pop into existence from nothing (see Miller, 2013).
Not true. Yes, in the long run energy is conserved but for short times one version of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, (delta E)(delta T) > h/2*pi, shows that anti-particles with non-zero mass (i.e. energy) can pop up and then recombine a short time later. This is observed repeatedly in nuclear particle accelerator experiments. The vacuum is not just emptiness but a seething sea of these particles. This leads to macro effects such as the Casimir effect, a force between two uncharged metallic plates in a vacuum placed a few micrometers apart, which has been observed experimentally.
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posted on
07/18/2013 10:54:41 AM PDT
by
fifedom
To: cuban leaf
LOL. Good one.
Infinite regression of matter is logically fallacious.
The Steady-State theory is toast.
The universe had a beginning. The end of it (some 100 trillion years from now according to cosmologists will subatomic particles breaking apart and then - static).
To: Black Agnes
...in an infinite number of boxes...............
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posted on
07/18/2013 10:55:11 AM PDT
by
Red Badger
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To: fruser1
>>>Once a universe exists, within that universe, you cant create something from nothing.
In other words, once we grant that One Big Miracle occurred, then we can grant a non-miraculous, fully knowable, universe comprising matter and energy.
Got it.
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posted on
07/18/2013 10:55:53 AM PDT
by
GoodDay
To: kimtom
“In 1973, physicist Edward Tryon of the Hunter College of the City University of New York published a paper in the British science journal Nature titled, Is the Universe a Vacuum Fluctuation?”
Well, in 1953 Philip K. Dick wrote “The Trouble With Bubbles”, which explores the problems of such Quantum Monkey-wrenching...
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posted on
07/18/2013 10:56:08 AM PDT
by
headsonpikes
(Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
To: kimtom
Gravity is the absence of space.
Space is the absence of gravity..................
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posted on
07/18/2013 10:56:55 AM PDT
by
Red Badger
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
No one is asking you to take fluctuations of the vacuum state on faith. They happen within your own body literally on the order of >1015 times every second. Their consequences are observable, and through quantum electrodynamics have been verified to higher orders of precision than virtually any scientific measure we have. They are real, material, and faith is not involved.
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posted on
07/18/2013 10:57:07 AM PDT
by
FredZarguna
(They Old School. We New School. We don't read cursive in New School. My Generation. We retahded, sir)
To: Laissez-faire capitalist
In the end it does come down to faith. I believe that God and the universe(s) have always existed and will continue eternally. Can I “prove” that? Nope.
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posted on
07/18/2013 10:57:48 AM PDT
by
JPG
(Obama Does Egypt.)
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