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We never should have witnessed a Zimmerman trial
Fox News ^ | July 14, 2013 | John Lott

Posted on 07/13/2013 11:46:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The George Zimmerman case should never have been brought. Saturday night after the “not guilty” verdict was delivered, State Attorney Angela Corey justified bringing the case “to put the facts out there.” But criminal cases should never be brought simply to put the facts before the public.

No one should be charged with a crime unless prosecutors themselves really believe that the person committed a crime.

Yet, the prosecution and their own experts’ language consistently showed a lack of certainty. Prosecutors aren’t supposed to bring cases where the best they can say is that something might “possibly” have happened or that there was a “chance” that it did.

Usually defense attorneys are the ones trying to get prosecution witnesses to concede that alternative explanations might be possible. In the Zimmerman trial, even the prosecution couldn’t get definite statements out of their own witnesses.

By the end of the trial, with the prosecution conceding that Travyon Martin was likely on top of Zimmerman, prosecutors were forced to speculate that possibly Martin was about to get off of Zimmerman when he was shot. That, by itself, completely undermined the prosecution's claim that Martin was the one calling for help.

The case was so weak that the local Sanford District Attorney refused to bring charges against Zimmerman. That is why, on the orders of the governor, an outside District Attorney, Angela Corey, had to be brought in to handle it.....

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: angelacorey; banglist; blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; johnlott; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Exactly. If these racist idiots truly wanted “justice” and “peace” and “unity” and all their other little slogans, they would be a helluva lot more concerned about violence in the cities. The fact they don’t give a rat’s behind speaks volumes that their agenda is politics and nothing more.


41 posted on 07/14/2013 5:57:33 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (NOT Guilty . . . the ONLY conclusion)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The case was so weak that the local Sanford District Attorney refused to bring charges against Zimmerman. That is why, on the orders of the governor, an outside District Attorney, Angela Corey, had to be brought in to handle it.....

What say all you Rick Scott fans out there? (I'm not from FLA and don't know anything about him).

42 posted on 07/14/2013 5:57:49 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: hiredhand
as for those who have threatened violence or rioting in the streets..

I think their very threats are assuming that whites should fear blacks. That in itself is racist. That from people who are allowing themselves to be replaced by hispanics in the US....amazing that they don't get it.

It's the conservative view that will save them from invasion, from being reduced to near-slave handout status, from having their neighborhoods and jobs taken over. Will enough of them wake up and stop supporting the democratic-media-celebrity-government onslaught that is causing genocide by demographics?

43 posted on 07/14/2013 5:57:50 AM PDT by grania
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To: chuckles
I still don't know even now

Did you ever see anything as confusing as the FL jury instructions on manslaughter?

I always thought it would be a tactical error to plead SYG, but GZ almost got hung over the issue of "culpable negligence" and whether or not CCW = "intent".

It turns out that his most straightforward defense was that he had the right to be where he was, and Martin had no right to be banging on his head.

I'm still worried about the general application of SYG (being a common law fan), but in this case it looks like it would have helped GZ.

44 posted on 07/14/2013 6:03:44 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: randita
-- It's only a matter of time before a disgruntled court employee releases their names and addresses. --

The court is going to release their names and addresses in due course. The absolute longest delay will be 6 months, and I expect it will be more like 4 weeks. They are better off anonymous, but they lost that protection when they were selected.

Damn skippy on the state of Florida being responsible for subjecting the jurors to this risk. Corey has a wake of damage behind her that is astounding. Unfortunately, the state is not responsible to protect anybody other than their select members, like judges, politicians and prosecutors.

45 posted on 07/14/2013 6:07:56 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: hiredhand
Zimmerman should sue every public office holder who weighed in on the matter prior to the verdict.

He needs to do it BEFORE Zero and Holder bring the civil rights trial. Which EVERYONE knows they will, and intimidate the jury into a conviction.

46 posted on 07/14/2013 6:10:48 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Buck Off, Bronco Bama)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What we're not hearing from all of this is what does the "Hispanic Community" have to say about this? Nobody is talking about that. What would the media and the Democrats say if suddenly one of their major constituencies stood up on their hind legs and raised hell about one of theirs being improperly prosecuted?

But the media, being the jackals they are, don't play up Mr. Zimmerman's Hispanic background, as we all know.

47 posted on 07/14/2013 6:14:19 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Buck Off, Bronco Bama)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I saw Ms Corey speak last night. She is one greasy piece of work.


48 posted on 07/14/2013 6:19:28 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: grania
Good questions you ask. I don't know. I DO know this, and that is that there is indeed a problem with black youth, especially in urban concentration areas. I'm a bit of a "hick" and I really do not get out much, so to speak. I'm also gainfully employed by a state Judicial Branch. I am NOT involved in the practice of law however.

Anyway... in the course of my job, I had to spend considerable time at a large courthouse recently and during the days I spent there I was able to observe people. I stood just behind and off to the side of the metal detectors and Deputies who were screening people. I saw people that looked like as though I could certainly relate...dressed in business casual wear...obviously "comfortable" in it... just there for traffic court. I could hear a LOT of conversation between people as well so I knew why a good many of them were there as they conversed within earshot. Then, there were the parents of the young adults who were there for traffic court and other minor infractions.

But then there was the black youth. People who know me know I'm not a racist. I grew up in a very small place below the Mason Dixon Line though which permeated racism, and my wife and I vowed that it would never exist in our home. My kids have always been baffled by racism because they simply don't "get it". We've never perpetuated it, or even discussed it. It's simply not an issue. But even my "kids" (all young adults now) can SEE the problem with the "gang banger" culture and racism.

Anyway... as I'm standing there in the back of the courthouse lobby, people are streaming in. I'd say that over 60% were black youth who not only didn't appear to be pinnacles of their community, but based on their comments were NOT. I overheard snippets of conversation concerning car theft, B&E, robbery, rape, drug use and distribution. The "highlight" of it all was this one black "kid" (probably no more than 24) who was behind me as we were walking up a very narrow flight of stairs. He had three gaudily dressed young females with him who all seemed rather "fond" of him. He was dressed in a suit, which he seemed very uncomfortable in and was discussing his "case" with his young women. He said (and I quote) -

"Ya'll bitches just don't know me and what I can do. Yeah... I killed that motherfucker with my own gun, but he deserved it after running his big mouth. But these dumb- assed cracker cops can't prove NOTHIN!"

One of my partners in front of me turned slightly where I could see his face and he had an "amazed" look. I felt like turning around and asking the young "Einstein" how he would feel if I were to march my happy ass into the Judges Chambers and explain what I had just overheard? But if I had done that, I would have done NOTHING but that, because there was just so much of it. He is just one example of what I overheard.

...and YES, there were some white kids there who were definitely BAD NEWS. But not many. Interestingly enough, it seemed that most Hispanics were there for traffic court. Me and the two guys I was working with talked about it and agreed that about two thirds of the people coming in were black youth of this subculture I'm trying to explain. I think you understand it though.... or have at least seen it.

So yes... there IS a problem with black youth and its subculture. But what's the source of it? Where is their leadership?... yes, I'm talking about the leadership who also has its own particularly vile subculture... yep... that one! Where did they veer from being able to facilitate an environment where their youth could flourish and become something GREAT and VALUABLE?!

I don't know the answers myself, but I can tell you from first hand observations that something is most definitely wrong with them. When a full 2/3 of the people coming into a big courthouse all look like Trayvon Martins, it certainly makes a person wonder!
49 posted on 07/14/2013 6:29:48 AM PDT by hiredhand
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To: Hardastarboard
It's definitely time critical.
50 posted on 07/14/2013 6:32:10 AM PDT by hiredhand
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To: Rummyfan
The conduct of the prosecution and the judge was pure kangaroo court.

I believe this was more of a Show Trial in the finest traditions of the Stalinist USSR and Nazi Germany. Interesting that neither is around anymore. If we don't right this boat, our country will be heading to the same infamous dust bin of history.
51 posted on 07/14/2013 6:42:33 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Jim Noble

Rick Scott is okay on some things, but he’s very much on the defensive because he’s always being portrayed by the press as the evil white guy who hates schoolteachers and blacks. In reality, he has put money into the school system, although he has demanded accountability from the teachers, which is apparently a no-no. A lot of the truly spectacular corrupton (massive cheating on state evaluation tests) was in black run schools or school districts, and his requirement that these people be prosecuted and dismissed was of course called “racist.”

He also appointed several black aides, and unfortunately, a few of them were not very good picks, to such an extent that he had to dismiss them or obtain their resignations (thus causing more screams of “racist”).

So,he’s very much on the defensive and I think he felt that going ahead with this show trial would prove his bona fides to Florida’s dysfunctional but noisy black power bloc. And course, like all GOPers, he has gone out of his way to be “bi partisan” and pick Dems for posts, such as judgeships, just as Bush did.

I wish our GOP elected officials would get over two things: feeling guilty about who they are, and believing that “ bipartisanship” works.

So this whole thing was about Scott’s desire to ingratiate himself with blacks and get them to stop calling him “racist,” which of course will never happen.


52 posted on 07/14/2013 6:50:29 AM PDT by livius
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To: Jim Noble

When Scott ran for Governor in 2010, he barely beat Alex Sink—I think his margin of victory was less than 1%.

The Bears family enthusiastically supported his candidacy.

Since his election, he has “grown” in office; backing-off on a number of key issues that characterized his campaign. The Zimmerman matter was the last straw—An innocent man put on trial to placate the race hustlers and perpetual victim class. The Law should bow to no man and to no threat.

If Scott decides to run for a second term, we will not support him.

PS—Angela “The Cow” Corey is our State Attorney. We’re presently looking into how to get her recalled.


53 posted on 07/14/2013 7:00:41 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Refuse; Resist; Rebel; Revolt!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For the most part, Rick Scott has been a good governor. But his stepping in to appoint Angela Corey as a Special Prosecutor when the local prosecutor, not seeing adequate cause to file charges, did not do so, has caused me to give second thoughts to his suitability for a second tem.

He did partially redeem himself when the panel he selected to review the Stand Your Ground Law came back with a recommendation for no changes.

If a viable Republican candidate runs against him in the primary, I will campaign against Scott. I’m a firm believer in 2nd Amendment rights, and the right of self defense.


54 posted on 07/14/2013 7:08:56 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More (Border Fence Obamacare!)
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To: hiredhand

Grew up in a small town South of the Mason-Dixon line myself—Within spitting distance of the old capital of the Confederacy. Both my Dad and Grand-dad were virulent racists and I’ve had to consciously strive to overcome that early influence.

What fascinates, and depresses, me is that, the farther we move from the period of slavery and institutionalized racism, the more shrilly those aspects of American history are invoked—By Blacks justifying their actions and by guilty Whites.

These little “African” princes you witnessed at the courthouse have never had to ride in the back of the bus, never had to use a separate entrance to a building, never had to drink from a separate water fountain, never were refused services of any kind; yet, they carry on as though they just recently escaped forced servitude.

A huge tantrum is playing out right now—So far limited mainly to words. I hope that’s as far as it goes; but I’m ready if things get more “physical.”

As a White, Christian, Conservative, Male, moderately successful small business owner paying taxes out the wazoo, I’m also tired of being blamed for all of society’s ills.


55 posted on 07/14/2013 7:16:31 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Refuse; Resist; Rebel; Revolt!)
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To: Rummyfan
And George Zimmerman, what now for him? If I were he, Australia or New Zealand would be under consideration.

Yup! Some of America is turning into a garbage pile of human stink. And what is left of the real law abiding Constitutional American has dropped into the shadows, when will they come out and attack.

56 posted on 07/14/2013 7:33:15 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: hiredhand; Travis McGee

Very good read and graphic !

Sounds like the all lady jury had the moral fortitude to do the right thing at least......

Wonder what’s the next move from these polidiots and presstitutes.

We’re always in bring it mode these days sadly.....

Merry Sunday y’all !


57 posted on 07/14/2013 7:34:50 AM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Red in Blue PA
The media needs to stop placating their audience with Bullshit and begin telling them the truth.

The fact is most of the MSM are hard core liberals communists and want to destroy America thinking that that will give them more power. They are and will destroy themselves because they hire the sick and mentally ill to promote lies and distortions.

58 posted on 07/14/2013 7:41:08 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Arm_Bears

“PS—Angela “The Cow” Corey is our State Attorney. We’re presently looking into how to get her recalled.”

Well, punishing her for her frankly incredible misconduct is incredibly important. Loss of her job, certainly, at a minimum.


59 posted on 07/14/2013 8:33:51 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: hiredhand
Your response shows a lot of thought and analysis of what you've encountered. And it's so true. So often, groups of young black males (and sometimes females) do exhibit those behaviors and attitudes. It's an image portrayed to them by their gangsta', media-inspired, profit-driven culture and enabled by leaders who only have power by perpetuating the negative culture. If they want to scream anything, it should be the old calls of real black leaders, for jobs, for opportunity, for real independence.

Do I fear large groups of young black men behaving in ways that frighten me? Yes. I have the same concerns with groups of white youth, hispanic youth, or any large group that could potentially threaten me. I cross the street to avoid any of them, just as I do if I encounter groups of drunk football fans after a Browns game. It's NOT about race....it's about their culture that tells them to act like gangstas in groups.

I don't feel that way when I come into contact with one or a few well-behaved minoriites that are responsible and reasonable, of course not.

The changes they should be demanding have to be to return jobs and personal responsibility to black youth. That and say NO MORE to a culture that exploits them and benefits from their bad behavior. Listen to the media and their political and cultural icons today....they're practically begging them to protest.

60 posted on 07/14/2013 9:01:46 AM PDT by grania
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