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Day 17 (Week #4) Zimmerman Trial – Witness Discussion Thread
The Conservative Treehouse ^ | July 2, 2013 | Sundance

Posted on 07/02/2013 5:16:14 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

Today, July 2nd, is DAY #17 (of 4th week) State of Florida V. George Zimmerman case.

Today Detective Chris Serino will be back on the stand. [Yesterday ended] on the stand with Chris Serino, who was the lead investigator for the Sanford Police Department on the Trayyvon Martin shooting.

Defense counsel Mark O’Mara led cross-examination with his usual consummate skill, obtaining responses from this witness–remember, the State’s witness–that all but completely guts the State’s charge in this case.

Among the key revelations so far: Zimmerman was always completely cooperative, open, and straightforward with all the police investigators over many weeks of multiple interviews, both in person at the police station and phone. The sense given is that Zimmerman demonstrated endless patience. (continue reading summary)

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: georgezimmerman; martin; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: NOVACPA

Not to mention TM was found with ‘jewelry’ in his pocket at school i believe?


301 posted on 07/02/2013 7:26:21 AM PDT by Fawn (In a World of Information, Ignorance is a Choice.)
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To: Ironfocus
They turned him over and did CPR despite the wound...And they heard gurgling.

I'm betting the elbows are bent...and just the upper arms were spread...

302 posted on 07/02/2013 7:26:28 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: cuban leaf

about the injuries

he thinks they were exaggerated


303 posted on 07/02/2013 7:26:46 AM PDT by RummyChick
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Serino just got a critical fact of the investigation wrong


304 posted on 07/02/2013 7:27:09 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: RummyChick

Those are libtard CNN folks and they were chosen for their view points by CNN.... they are not middle America


305 posted on 07/02/2013 7:27:17 AM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: All

306 posted on 07/02/2013 7:27:19 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: Uncle Chip

What fact?

Thanks.


307 posted on 07/02/2013 7:27:59 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Nervous Tick
-- "close enough for government work". --

I was showing a government inspector though our manufacturing process for power steering pumps, sold to be used in military vehicles. Was asked about some aspect of the QA process, and I said exactly that, "Close enough for government work." Pretty quick realized that was a mistake, got a bit of a dirty look.

308 posted on 07/02/2013 7:28:10 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Nervous Tick
However, Serino’s JOB in interrogating Z was to get at the truth, by any means necessary. Therefore, since that what exactly what he was SEEKING TO DO, and since he’s a professional (expert?) PAID to do just that, why should his CONCLUSION not be admissable?

I agree, especially since Serino's opinion about a suspect's truthfulness will directly affect how he conducts his investigation, whether to file charges, etc. He is not stating whether or not what the suspect told him WAS the truth - just his impression or opinion of what the suspect told him.

309 posted on 07/02/2013 7:28:26 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: spacejunkie2001

Would you care to ACTUALLY CITE AN INSTANCE BEFORE Yesterday when I got deluged because I said the interrogation tape was a problem.

SHOW me some evidence to back you up on an other Zimmerman thread or before that point.


310 posted on 07/02/2013 7:28:37 AM PDT by RummyChick
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Serino just said that GZ was in vehicle when told not to follow —

And he was the lead investigator


311 posted on 07/02/2013 7:28:48 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: DCBryan1

Vinny Gambini: Ms. Vito, it has been argued by me, the defense, that two sets of guys met up at the Sac-O-Suds, at the same time, driving identical metallic mint green 1964 Buick Skylark convertibles. Now, can you tell us by what you see in this picture, if the defense's case holds water?

[Lisa examines the picture]

Vinny Gambini: Ms. Vito, please answer the question: does the defense's case hold water?

Mona Lisa Vito: No! The defense is wrong!

Vinny Gambini: Are you sure?

Mona Lisa Vito: I'm positive.

Vinny Gambini: How could you be so sure?

Mona Lisa Vito: Because there is no way that these tire marks were made by a 1964 Buick Skylark convertible. These marks were made by a 1963 Pontiac Tempest.

D.A. Jim Trotter: Objection, Your Honor! Can we clarify to the court whether the witness is stating opinion or fact?

Judge Chamberlain Haller: [to Lisa] This is your opinion, or is it a fact?

Mona Lisa Vito: It's a fact!

Vinny Gambini: I find it hard to believe that this kind of information could be ascertained simply by looking at a picture!

Mona Lisa Vito: Would you like me to explain?

Vinny Gambini: I would love to hear this!

Judge Chamberlain Haller: So would I.

Mona Lisa Vito: The car that made these two, equal-length tire marks had positraction. You can't make those marks without positraction, which was not available on the '64 Buick Skylark!

Vinny Gambini: And why not? What is positraction?

Mona Lisa Vito: It's a limited slip differential which distributes power equally to both the right and left tires. The '64 Skylark had a regular differential, which, anyone who's been stuck in the mud in Alabama knows, you step on the gas, one tire spins, the other tire does nothing.

[the jury members nod, with murmurs of "yes," "that's right," etc]

Vinny Gambini: Is that it?

Mona Lisa Vito: No, there's more! You see? When the left tire mark goes up on the curb and the right tire mark stays flat and even? Well, the '64 Skylark had a solid rear axle, so when the left tire would go up on the curb, the right tire would tilt out and ride along its edge. But that didn't happen here. The tire mark stayed flat and even. This car had an independent rear suspension. Now, in the '60's, there were only two other cars made in America that had positraction, and independent rear suspension, and enough power to make these marks. One was the Corvette, which could never be confused with the Buick Skylark. The other had the same body length, height, width, weight, wheel base, and wheel track as the '64 Skylark, and that was the 1963 Pontiac Tempest.

Vinny Gambini: And because both cars were made by GM, were both cars available in metallic mint green paint?

Mona Lisa Vito: They were!

Vinny Gambini: Thank you, Ms. Vito. No more questions. Thank you very, very much.

[kissing her hands]

Vinny Gambini: You've been a lovely, lovely witness.

312 posted on 07/02/2013 7:29:10 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: All

313 posted on 07/02/2013 7:29:15 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: don-o

Did he TESTIFY to that or was that a part of questioning? Does that matter?

Not being sarcastic, I really am asking.


314 posted on 07/02/2013 7:29:17 AM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: Sacajaweau

I forget where I read this comment -

Someone on some forum said that you could see one arm extended in one of the photos Manelo had taken, not sure whether to trust the comment unless I see it in the photo myself.


315 posted on 07/02/2013 7:29:57 AM PDT by jacquej
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Serino says he has evidence of following after told not to

Where is it???


316 posted on 07/02/2013 7:30:10 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Cboldt

“...does not entitle him to tell the jury whether or not a witness is telling the truth.”

He did NOT tell the jury whether Z was telling the truth.

He gave his OPINION on the veracity of Zimmermans statements. There’s a big difference.


317 posted on 07/02/2013 7:30:11 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: bert

Frankly, that’s my theory: the state charged Zim with murder to unload federal and naacp pressure. Murder’s literally impossible to show here because of the evidence. So Z should get off and the prosecutor “at least” tried.


318 posted on 07/02/2013 7:30:15 AM PDT by budj (beam me up, scotty...)
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To: JoeProBono

He can interpret follow but can not give an opinion of honesty. What a joke.


319 posted on 07/02/2013 7:30:41 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: NOVACPA

>> Maybe the Trayvon supporters are getting lazy?

My guess is, most St. Trayvon supporters are *inherently* lazy.


320 posted on 07/02/2013 7:31:00 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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