Posted on 07/02/2013 4:06:09 AM PDT by onyx
Sen. Ted Cruz is joining Tea Party activists in calling on Congress to abolish the Internal Revenue Service as the freshman lawmaker made the case from tax reform.
The Texas Republican on Monday said news that the IRS targeted the nonprofit applications of conservative-leaning political groups was an "inspiration" because of how it has sparked "normal American citizens that are standing up for liberty." In the wake of the IRS scandal, Tea Party groups have repeatedly called for the agency to close its doors, and Cruz, a hero of the conservative movement, echoed their sentiments.
"It is a challenge that we all face to limit the power of Washington," Cruz said. "After these revelations of political targeting by the IRS, we need to padlock and shut down the building, abolish the IRS, and move to a flat tax or the FAIR Tax."
Leaders in Congress have publicly expressed a willingness to tackle tax reform, though it seems that Democrats and Republicans every year express similar sentiments without any action. Earlier in the day, a new government study showed profitable corporations paid an effective income tax rate lower than 13 percent in 2010, sparking calls from both sides of the aisle to take another look at the tax code.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...
Bring up the bill to do just that.
Then hammer the piss outta those that let it languish in committee. If it gets to the floor, then we can see what needs to find a new job when they vote against the bill.
Al la sequestration. The world didn't end.
Allinsky rule #13 says "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." The IRS is against producers of all stripes. This can unite a cross section of very influential people and entities - not withstanding the fear of reprisal.
Producers can either initiate change through the various sources of their power (Legitimate e.g. resources, positive Purse String, Bureaucratic, Referent, Technical, or Charismatic), or they can withdraw from production and become a consumer of resources (pure negative Purse String power). Either path will diminish the power of "takers" over "producers".
It seems that lately on FR, pragmatism of the sort that you proposed will earn slings and arrows. Cruz, Paul and a few others are solid conservatives, but whenever they intimate any pragmatic solution to the manifold problems, each of which can tank our republic, so called "conservatives" howl that drugs, abortion, homosexuality, and anarchy will explode - never mind that Cruz and Paul are on record espousing traditional marriage, right to life, strong national defense, and the rule of law.
BTTT
Yes, they want instant solutions and gratification. We got into this mess incrementally and that is how we will get out of it.
...the IRS targeted the nonprofit applications of conservative-leaning political groups... "After these revelations of political targeting by the IRS, we need to padlock and shut down the building, abolish the IRS, and move to a flat tax or the FAIR Tax."
Thank you so much, SunkenCiv!
Has their been any Bill introduced in the House to shutdown any Federal Government Department?
LEAD Mr. Cruz the followers will appear.
Now that's a plan!
Yes, Ted, that would be a great start!
Next closure: Department of Education...
Then: EPA...
“Hey, hey NSA has to go!”
And so forth...
This closure thingy would be great fun, but afraid we’d have to have first the Second American Revolution and a Second Revolutionary War, as ruling classes seldom go quietly into the night.
They say the fair tax percentage can’t be changed.I'm not new to the Fairtax as Hostage is. I've been posting information that Fairtaxers like Hostage don't want you to know and in fact will lie through their teeth about since 1998.
The fact is regarding the rate(s), after the first year of implentation the Fairtax as it is written today allows unelected bureaucrats at Social Security to determine the Fairtax rate every year without a vote or oversight from any elected officials.
lewislynn is an anti-FairTax troll who disrupts every FairTax discussion on freerepublic.com.
He fails to understand that determining a rate and voting on a rate are two different activities.
For example, DHHS and the Census Bureau ‘determine’ the federal poverty line and poverty rate. These are determined by well worn formulae that have been means tested and are considered reliable estimates that have been used for decades. The estimates and determination are used by various branches and agencies of government including Congress for crafting legislation to be voted on.
What the FairTax is saying in Section 904 is the the Social Security Administration will ‘determine’ meaning calculate the rate for Social Security benefits and medicare services. The resultant estimates are then used by Congress when voting on a NRST rate every year.
The FairTax fully intends to preserve Social Security and Medicare because people have paid into these trusts and insurance programs and the government needs to keep their promises to those that have paid in.
Social Security and Medicare reform can still occur but when the FairTax is enacted it will stand alone and not attempt to change all of government except in the way taxes are levied, collected and enforced.
Of course as the FairTax is transparent to everyone, it will make more consumers aware of the cost of government in the everyday things they buy. So it will wake up the electorate to the cost of government and this will foment spending reforms.
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H.R.25
Fair Tax Act of 2013 (Introduced in House - IH)
`SEC. 904. TRUST FUND REVENUE.
`(a) Secretary To Make Allocation of Sales Tax Revenue- The Secretary shall allocate the revenue received by virtue of the tax imposed by section 101 in accordance with this section. The revenue shall be allocated among—
`(1) the general revenue,
`(2) the old-age and survivors insurance trust fund,
`(3) the disability insurance trust fund,
`(4) the hospital insurance trust fund, and
`(5) the Federal supplementary medical insurance trust fund.
`(b) General Rule-
`(1) GENERAL REVENUE- The proportion of total revenue allocated to the general revenue shall be the same proportion as the rate in section 101(b)(4) bears to the combined Federal tax rate percentage (as defined in section 101(b)(3)).
`(2) The amount of revenue allocated to the old-age and survivors insurance and disability insurance trust funds shall be the same proportion as the old-age, survivors and disability insurance rate (as defined in subsection (d)) bears to the combined Federal tax rate percentage (as defined in section 101(b)(3)).
`(3) The amount of revenue allocated to the hospital insurance and Federal supplementary medical insurance trust funds shall be the same proportion as the hospital insurance rate (as defined in subsection (e)) bears to the combined Federal tax rate percentage (as defined in section 101(b)(3)).
`(c) Calendar Year 2015- Notwithstanding subsection (b), the revenue allocation pursuant to subsection (a) for calendar year 2015 shall be as follows:
`(1) 64.83 percent of total revenue to general revenue,
`(2) 27.43 percent of total revenue to the old-age and survivors insurance and disability insurance trust funds, and
`(3) 7.74 percent of total revenue to the hospital insurance and Federal supplementary medical insurance trust funds.
`(d) Old-Age, Survivors and Disability Insurance Rate- The old-age, survivors and disability insurance rate shall be determined by the Social Security Administration. The old-age, survivors and disability insurance rate shall be that sales tax rate which is necessary to raise the same amount of revenue that would have been raised by imposing a 12.4 percent tax on the Social Security wage base (including self-employment income) as determined in accordance with chapter 21 of the Internal Revenue Code most recently in effect prior to the enactment of this Act. The rate shall be determined using actuarially sound methodology and announced at least 6 months prior to the beginning of the Calendar year for which it applies.
`(e) Hospital Insurance Rate- The hospital insurance rate shall be determined by the Social Security Administration. The hospital insurance rate shall be that sales tax rate which is necessary to raise the same amount of revenue that would have been raised by imposing a 2.9 percent tax on the Medicare wage base (including self-employment income) as determined in accordance with chapter 21 of the Internal Revenue Code most recently in effect prior to the enactment of this Act. The rate shall be determined using actuarially sound methodology and announced at least 6 months prior to the beginning of the calendar year for which it applies.
Flat tax, fair tax.... they both have in common the means to INCREASE the rates.
There once was a time in this country when there was no flat tax, fair tax, or income tax; what we had was PROTECTIVE TARIFFS on imports.
We ran just fine on that.
What the FairTax is saying in Section 904 is the the Social Security Administration will ‘determine’ meaning calculate the rate for Social Security benefits and medicare servicesA quote from your copy and paste.
The old-age, survivors and disability insurance rate shall be that sales tax rateIgnorant?
I a tally saw an ad of his regarding the IRS on CNN! Floored the heck out of me. CNN!
For example, DHHS and the Census Bureau ‘determine’ the federal poverty line and poverty rate. These are determined by well worn formulae that have been means tested and are considered reliable estimates that have been used for decades. The estimates and determination are used by various branches and agencies of government including Congress for crafting legislation to be voted on.To: taxcontrol
Why are you trying to pass yourself off as some kind of guru? Your knowledge is incomplete.
There are two versions of poverty calculations. The one used for the FairTax is not set by the Census Bureau.
Read: http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/07poverty.shtml
Paragraph 2. The FairTax uses the DHHS Poverty Guidelines, NOT the Census Bureau’s Poverty thresholds.
Got any more smart*ss remarks?
56 posted on 01/09/2008 3:45:20 PM PST by Hostage
Smart*ss indeed
No disagreement. These are calculations resulting in estimates. They are provided to Congress who ‘votes’ on the overall NRST rate.
So what is your problem? You have a problem with government actuaries or contractors crunching numbers? Gee, don’t they do that now under the Internal Revenue Code? Ans: Yes.
Just admit it, you hate the FairTax and you will take any morsel that you can twist out of context to make it look sinister.
In other words, you’re a troll!
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