Skip to comments.License-plate readers let police collect millions of records on drivers
Posted on 06/26/2013 3:04:40 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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I'm still wondering why one needs "licenses" for themselves and their vehicles to peaceably travel from place to place.
I thought wars were fought and won over this.
“........But plate readers might not fall under such rulings if police successfully argue that motorists have no reasonable expectation of privacy while driving on public roads.........”
Maybe not - but there is at least one picture of a guy and his kids getting out of his car in a driveway.
Last time I looked a driveway is not a public road.
A friend of mine in California told me that he has seen California Highway Patrol cars driving through the parking lot at the Cabela’s outside of Reno several times now. They drive up and down the rows of cars recording who is shopping at Cabela’s.
Where they can keep this information forever it creates a database of people who shop at a gun shop. And a lot of Californians buy their ammo and etc. in Nevada to avoid California’s various ammunition registration schemes.
Why no, Officer, I don't object to my license plate picture being taken. What's that? Database problems? Sorry to hear that...
I’m in general agreement with the “reasonable expectation of privacy” in the context in which it originated. Potential for occasional to frequent observation when you’re in public. But with the kind of high-bandwidth, high-penetration tech existed then that exists today, I think they’re sort of sneaking through a loophole: what would be more than reasonable in the original context is oppressively intrusive when applied with this degree of coverage. AND handy for potential tyrants, which is reason enough to prohibit it, even if it were otherwise perfectly legitimate. The ways in which this kind of stuff is being deployed is making a hollow shell of the fourth amendment, and should be severely curtailed or eliminated (and I don’t mean by the use of procedural “safeguards”, I mean physically).
Exactly! When people rode horses, neither driver nor vehicle was required to be licensed. Add an IC engine and suddenly [they "think"] what was once a right is now a "privilege" (even tons of FReepers buy this).
Bull feces. If the switch to the new tech couldn't be made without vast new powers being lorded over the goobermint's masters, including requiring permission simply to employ it, then it simply wasn't ready for prime time, and should not have been adopted, period. The excuse they use is that the roads are "public". I could have a long discussion on that topic, but don't have the time at the moment.
The systems that I know of scan a tag number against a database of stolen cars, wanted felons, someone wanted for questioning, and amber alerts that is loaded at each shift since the info is always changing.
These systems only snap a pic of the vehicle if it recognizes a tag that was flagged in the system, and displays that image on the screen in the patrol car so the officer can go back and find that vehicle easier.
All of the other tag numbers that are queried against the database are not stored, and those images that do get stored are deleted once whatever issue that caused the tag to be flagged is resolved. The solid state drives used get wiped at the end of the shift before a new database is installed for the next shift.
Uh, no, it works with 100 times more fascist efficiency as humans.
In the real world, the one occupied by real people with real jobs, fascist efficiency != good.
You might want to contemplate the impact of the communist-inspired Social Security Act. Before it became law, people were anonymous to Big Brother. Now, everyone is a number in his data base. It signaled the end of privacy in America.
Used to be a cop. A few friends were assigned to the Auto Theft Unit when these things first rolled out. Every day, someone in the unit would go to a website ran by the insurance companies and they would download all the newly reported stolen cars onto a thumb drive and then dump that info into the laptops. In Atlanta, at the time, it was only for stolen vehicles/plates, car jacked vehicles.
What the company sells: These machines can be on cars; in traffic cones; on street posts. They said that with just the fines from “no insurance tickets” the machine could pay for itself in a few months. They can program the computers to do whatever they want. They can just look for stolen cars/plates, wanted persons, no insurance, no registration.
Basically, one big fishing expedition. Not unlike out government collecting all that data w/ the NSA, one could guess.
In Atlanta, and a lot of other places, there are dozens of cars equipped with these devices. Weird thing is, most cities have ‘no chase policies’ in place for everything except violent/forcible felonies. So, stolen cars don’t get chased anymore like they did back in the day. Too much liability.
Your government hard at work protecting and serving its citizens.
I-10 and I-15 have cameras mounted on poles in the Center Divide from LA to the state borders of NV an AZ. These cameras are not Traffic Cams.
Anyone seen them on I-80 from SF to NV?
Can they be jammed or thwarted?
They do that all over California. You can actually see their feeds from the web:
“Can they be jammed or thwarted?”
When you park your car just be sure to put on the car cover so it hides your plate. Nothing illegal about that at all.
No idea what to do about it when you’re driving.
LMAO. Post of the day.
The easy solution to this is to invent removeable license plate covers. So long as your vehicle isn’t moving and you aren’t behind the wheel, the plates don’t have to show. You can cover them all you want.
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