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Day 13 (Week #3) Zimmerman Trial – Witness Discussion Thread…
The Conservative Treehouse ^ | June 26, 2013 | Sundance

Posted on 06/26/2013 5:34:24 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

Today, June 26th, is DAY #13 (of 3rd week) State of Florida V. George Zimmerman case. An explosive second day of deconstructed witness testimony took place yesterday. Which leads to the “big question”:

Will witness #8, Rachel Jeantel, be called to the stand today?

[Yesterday could] … only be characterized as an utter debacle for the prosecution in Florida v. Zimmerman. Besides the testimony of a couple of highly professional law enforcement witnesses, the testimony of the the other State witnesses ranged from signing George Zimmerman’s praises, to acknowledging the utility of following a suspicious person from a distance, to being utterly discredited by razor sharp cross-examination of the defense.

Before we even get to the disaster that was the State’s witnesses, however, we first have to discuss this morning’s hearing and the extent to which it evanescent is the State’s case against George Zimmerman. State: Zimmerman Is So Good, He Must Be Bad ............

(Excerpt) Read more at theconservativetreehouse.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: trayvonmartin; trial; zimmerman
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To: onemiddleamerican
Jeantel: I'm goin' to Dinneywerl!

Rachel's priority #1 appears to be inebriation. The only trip she's taking is a drug addled bender.

941 posted on 06/26/2013 7:11:29 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Now we all have Obama phones.)
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To: snarkytart
He also, through this witness, talked as if he was hostile and agitated.

Come on....Was Martin not telling her on the phone, Z was something to the effect of some, "Weird nigga cracker? Did she not admit this on the witness stand?

If that is not hostile on Martins part towards Z, nothing is...

942 posted on 06/26/2013 7:11:39 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

And the beauty of it is....the left has been trying to portray Zimmerman as the aggressive racist in this incident..when according to DD’s testimony today, it was Martin that was talking aggressively and being a racist. And he also made it home, which means he doubled back to nail Zimmerman, just as we had surmised.

Bingo.

What’s really hilarious is how the left is portraying today’s testimony as a “win” for the prosecution. It was anything BUT that.


943 posted on 06/26/2013 7:18:01 PM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: XenaLee

The left, the race baiters, pro big corrupt government types are the deceitful liars from hell..

Did ya ever see the Corey video out of FL regarding this case?...I will never forget it.


944 posted on 06/26/2013 7:22:38 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: All

Some IMHO insightful comments left over from Legal Insurrection here:

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/zimmerman-trial-day-analysis-and-video-of-states-witnesses//#more

nomadic100 | June 26, 2013 at 8:53 pm

I’m a psychiatrist and watched the Jeantel testimony today. In my opinion, Jeantel likely wanted to be Martin’s girlfriend – how else to account for the “hundreds” of texts and her presenting herself earlier in the case (to Crump?) as his girlfriend. In addition, her reluctance to speak to Trayvon’s mother is, in my opinion, not fully explained by her aversion to seeing the mother sad and, perhaps, weeping.

Jeantel seems to have a low I.Q. and to have difficulty in understanding the questions posed to her. She also wants to testify in a manner helpful to the prosecution. Accordingly, she answers questions in a fashion which seemed designed to baffle the defense – her answers are vague, strangely worded, and softly spoken. A psychiatrist might wonder whether she has a “thought disorder” – such that her understanding of the questions posed to her (and, therefore, her answers) are fundamentally different from the meaning of the questions as posed by the questioners and different from the commonly understood meanings of such questions.

The only point at which I felt that her behavior was understandable was when she expressed horror at the fact that she would be required to testify tomorrow. That was totally consistent with her statements earlier that she initially wanted no part of the proceedings after Martin died.

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Ragspierre | June 26, 2013 at 9:19 pm

Being a witness in court is hard.

I mean that. It is a public speaking forum, but on steroids, and ALLLLLL of us have a fear of public speaking.

In some respects, it is a venue designed to put the hoo-doo on lay people. You have a freaking JUDGE sitting on a raised dais, for crying out loud. And guys with guns all over. It is a very alien place for laymen.

Some people react to their discomfort by showing anger. (I LOVE those!) Some become very quiet and passive. Some, like I read DeeDee, become sullenly passive-aggressive, bouncing between bravado and combativeness and defensiveness.

DeeDee is a liar. It is obviously how she has learned to cope with a life that is probably hard for her to comprehend. But she is not an artful liar, as displayed by her candor in telling the court the things that Martin said.


945 posted on 06/26/2013 7:22:43 PM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: SteveH

She was told by the Judge not to discuss the case with ANYONE


946 posted on 06/26/2013 7:33:19 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: hoosiermama

Best thing West can do tomorrow is to begin with the slow methodical questioning to get under her skin. When she goes Ghetto, assuming she shows up, he can become her friend by saying OK, just tell us then in your own words what happened then.

Baldy looked a bit sweating again today. He has got to know this is not going well, not so much for what they say for his case during direct but for what they are saying against his case on cross. With DD now we are at game and set....hopefully she gives us the match tomorrow or gets a contempt cite for not trying!


947 posted on 06/26/2013 7:36:12 PM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Kansas58

Darn, going to be on the road tomorrow and will miss the best show this side of name entertainment.


948 posted on 06/26/2013 7:37:15 PM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: dragnet2
Come on....Was Martin not telling her on the phone, Z was something to the effect of some, "Weird nigga cracker? Did she not admit this on the witness stand? If that is not hostile on Martins part towards Z, nothing is...

"Creepy ass-cracker." According to urbandictionary it is a reference to men who seek and are successful at finding anal sex.

949 posted on 06/26/2013 7:37:47 PM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: SteveH

Historically cracker meant southerner who cracked whips, such as in antebellum times at (or to flog) slaves. Urban Dictionary is written by a bunch of perverts. If you are amused by descriptions of various erotic maneuvers involving genitals, feces, and faces, Urban Dictionary is the place to find them.


950 posted on 06/26/2013 7:42:28 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: dragnet2

No. I didn’t see it. Now I’ll have to see if I can find it.


951 posted on 06/26/2013 7:43:26 PM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: Jedidah

It looked like she wasn’t really able to read the depositions.


952 posted on 06/26/2013 7:59:39 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Spunky

Or he was her supplier.

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That’s what I think. Either that or she was his fence for the hot goods he stole and/or she urged him to confront the “creepy white cracker” following him.

She has a lot of guilt about Trayvon’s death. In fact, I think TM was at his daddy’s house and that’s when GZ and he had the exchange. GZ then took off to meet police and TM chased him. That’s why his body was 70 yds from daddy’s house.


953 posted on 06/26/2013 8:00:40 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: SteveH

Thank you steve...What we have here is another OJ racist circus...


954 posted on 06/26/2013 8:09:52 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: JouleZ
"That’s why his body was 70 yds from daddy’s house."

I kept wondering about that when she kept saying that Trayvon said he was at his Daddy's girlfriends house. I knew that Trayvon's body was some ways away so how did he get there.

955 posted on 06/26/2013 8:11:02 PM PDT by Spunky
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Historically cracker meant southerner who cracked whips, such as in antebellum times at (or to flog) slaves. Urban Dictionary is written by a bunch of perverts. If you are amused by descriptions of various erotic maneuvers involving genitals, feces, and faces, Urban Dictionary is the place to find them.

Not just urbandictionary but J's testimony backs up the [homo]sexual reference. Jeantel stated:

He told me the man was looking at him, so I had to think it might have been a rapist. Might have been a rapist.

[For completeness' sake, the term cracker has also been attributed to denote a person who owns or operates a grist mill to crack corn. There used to be many such grist mills in the deep South.]

Back to the Z trial, if M is describing Z to R as a creepy ass-cracker, then R is defining a potential motive for M to attack Z violently as a gay person or potential gay rapist. IOW, M is prejudiced against gays and predisposed to make derogatory comments about those he thinks might be gay. Perhaps he is predisposed to act on his prejudices and attack someone who he thinks might be gay and might be stalking him for the purpose of obtaining gay sex.

The defense could for example continue to cross examine J and ask her if Z was expressing animosity towards the person allegedly following him as a possibly gay person. Given that R extemporaneously volunteered the term in today's testimony, she might be more than happy to testify further tomorrow, by explaining that her non-boyfriend was a real man and despised gay males.

In the end run, for the defense it's all about reasonable doubt. They might as well take whatever they can get.

956 posted on 06/26/2013 8:11:31 PM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: onemiddleamerican
I'm thinking for tomorrow, for S&G, I may use closed captions to help translate.

I don't think it's going to help.

957 posted on 06/26/2013 8:17:02 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Colonel_Flagg

>> He would, and use her neck as a floatation device.

HEY!!! Stop it, dammit! I’m trying to eat cheeze puffs here! Do you have any IDEA how saliva coated cheezepuff bits can damage a keyboard??!? No, I didn’t think so. Inconsiderate b______.


958 posted on 06/26/2013 8:20:39 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: SteveH
the term cracker has also been attributed to denote a person who owns or operates a grist mill to crack corn.

How slick...Is it worse than what is used by blacks, the term "Nigger" used as a matter or routine?

Do I dare type those letters?

Is there someone out here going to bar me, terminate my membership? Should I be punished by saying/typing the word?

How bullsh*tted, hoodwinked, and conned has our country become?

959 posted on 06/26/2013 8:20:44 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SteveH

Add all you’ve said to her struggling to read AND that TM lowering himself to thug hood parallel the beginning of his visiting her neighborhood and renewing their friendship.

She stated she did not know what TM was doing in the half hour between the store and the mail boxes. She knows alright but she ain’t no snitch. She’s got to go home to da hood and survive dar She’s more to be pitied then ....


960 posted on 06/26/2013 8:24:17 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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