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What is the proper balance between privacy and security?
Jim Robinson

Posted on 06/23/2013 9:53:57 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

Edited on 06/23/2013 9:55:17 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The answer is in the constitution. The original intent of the constitution is to severely restrict the powers of government while guaranteeing our God-given, unalienable individual rights.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Warrants shall be issued ONLY upon probable cause and MUST describe the place to be searched and things to be seized. General warrants are verboten!

But we are at war.

Against whom? Which country? Where is the declaration of war per the U.S. Constitution?

The Islamic maniacs are at war with us, but they always have been, always will be. They cannot live in peace with the rest of the world. They must kill all who don't follow Allah. Perhaps we should declare war against Islam and get it over with but we won't.

Meanwhile, we cannot and should not suspend our constitution or allow government to stomp on our unalienable rights. Obama wants to set himself up as a dictator and that's exactly what will happen if we allow him to suspend the constitution. It's already happening right before our eyes and unless we get a handle on this thing immediately, America as a free country is over.

Our founders were pretty serious about these things:

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Along with the guaranteed right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, the founders also gave us these additional guarantees (among others):

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The government is in direct violation of the constitution when it suppresses the free press or deprives the people of their constitutionally guaranteed right to free speech. The government violates the constitution by spying on the press or the people. They cannot snoop on our phone calls or email messages or demand that companies turn over "billing records," "metadata," content, IP addresses, email addresses, ID's, or any other communications by or among individuals whether private or business. And obviously they're in direct violation of the constitution when they attempt to infringe upon our rights to keep and bear arms.

The second amendment is intended for our personal defense and security. Our country cannot declare war against Islam and they refuse to stop allowing people who are at war with us to take up residency within the U.S. so our only real security is to remain armed and vigilant. If the Islamists wish to conduct war against our people on OUR soil, then they had best bring their lunch and a lantern, because it's going to be a long day for them. Americans are armed to the teeth and we aim to defend ourselves, our families, our property and our nation. The government sure as hell isn't.

So, the proper balance between privacy and security is for the government to keep its snooping eyes and ears the hell out out of our mail, out of our phone calls, out of our email and online activities and to keep their fascist hands off our property and off our guns per the constitution!

Always has been. Always will be.


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To: humblegunner

Clearly the government believes they should decide, not the country,


61 posted on 06/23/2013 3:16:56 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: Jim Robinson
+1
62 posted on 06/23/2013 3:33:32 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( “The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.” - Tacitus)
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To: Jim Robinson

Unfortunately, we have politicians and judges who don’t give a damn about the Constitution.


63 posted on 06/23/2013 3:43:46 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Someone with good editing tools needs to make a NSA Warrant showing EVERYONE as the target of the NSA search warrant.


64 posted on 06/23/2013 3:46:35 PM PDT by aimhigh (Guns do not kill people. Abortion kills people.)
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To: Mastador1
About 5000 rounds?

In 30.06 backed up by .44 mag?

I'm there.
65 posted on 06/23/2013 4:39:32 PM PDT by jy8z (From the next to last exit before the end of the internet.)
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To: Jim Robinson

We should err on the side of privacy, accept that we live on the brink of annihilation, and destroy Muslims at every opportunity and with great brutality. Allah’s servants should understand only that to enrage the US is to disappear in a flash and a haze of radioactive dust, and that the US will be enraged at the least slight, let alone acts of terrorism. We should not give up being a free society when the means exist to cause the extinction of those who would kill us, along with their sympathizers, and those who would seek revenge on their behalf.


66 posted on 06/23/2013 4:47:09 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Jim Robinson

BTTT!!!!

Very very well said


67 posted on 06/23/2013 4:52:20 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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It is our elected “representatives” that are legislating and funding every infraction against our Constitutional rights.


68 posted on 06/23/2013 5:04:53 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
My basic position on this issue....and “rights” in general is...only US citizens should be afforded all the rights enumerated (or suggested) by the Constitution.

The problem with the logic of that position is that it implies that the Constitution is the source of man's rights, which it is not. The Constitution doesn't give anyone any rights, it only restricts the government's powers to infringe upon those rights which already exist. The source of all men's rights is not the people, the government, or the Constitution, it is God. It is generally held that "rights" are given by God to all men not just Americans. This is the principle of Natural Law upon which this country and the Constitution are based, and this principle is openly declared in the the Declaration of Independence which says:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

Privileges of US citizens (e.g. voting etc.) certainly can be restricted to Americans because they are granted by law. Rights, however, cannot be restricted, because they are universally given to all men by their Creator.

69 posted on 06/23/2013 5:47:59 PM PDT by old republic
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To: Jim Robinson

I would go so far to say that anyone that came to the U.S. illegally is at war with the U.S. and the citizens, as well. But that is just me.


70 posted on 06/23/2013 5:48:14 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: old republic
The Constitution doesn't give anyone any rights, it only restricts the government's powers to infringe upon those rights which already exist. The source of all men's rights is not the people, the government, or the Constitution, it is God.

Thank you!

It amazes me that so many folk, supposedly knowledgeable about our society, blow it by conflating rights with privileges.

71 posted on 06/23/2013 7:29:24 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Jim Robinson

"ERRORS CEASING TO BE DANGEROUS BE DANGEROUS WHEN IT IS PERMITTED FREELY TO CONTRAD..."

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CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

72 posted on 06/23/2013 8:21:31 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: brityank; old republic
[The source of all men's rights is not the people, the government, or the Constitution, it is God.]



Yep.
73 posted on 06/23/2013 8:27:44 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: Big Red Badger

Revolt is coming.


74 posted on 06/24/2013 2:47:41 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: dagogo redux

The 2nd protects the other 9.


75 posted on 06/24/2013 2:48:16 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Profiling would work.

The current administration isn’t as concerned with possible terrorists as they are about conservatives. So using the excuse to “keep us safe”, they are going after US.


76 posted on 06/24/2013 4:52:44 AM PDT by frnewsjunkie
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To: Jim Robinson

“What is the proper balance between privacy and security?”

The second amendment.


77 posted on 06/24/2013 7:25:13 AM PDT by Slambat
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To: Jim Robinson

” They’re not collecting all this info to fight terrorists. They’re collecting it to use against US!”

Exactly!


78 posted on 06/24/2013 11:46:41 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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