"Oh, who's being naive, Kay?"
Posted on 06/23/2013 1:03:12 AM PDT by kronos77
US whistleblower Edward Snowden is en route to Moscow from Hong Kong on an Aeroflot flight, reports AFP. Washington has filed an extradition order to the Hong Kong authorities on charges of espionage, theft and conversion of government property.
DETAILS TO FOLLOW.
Snowden is Obama’s tool. This is about softening us up to the idea of constant surveillance; Obama wants everyone to know, in the back of their minds, that he is watching and recording. If anyone steps out of line, he will destroy them, by press or by drone.
He has done this also to see what we will do, betting that nothing will happen, and he then has our assent. Edward Snowden asks the question: Will you have a tyranny? We answer: Meh.
Basketball! Kardashian! DWTS!
Nothing will happen because the people are given over to sin.
As with everything about Obama and politicians in general, what they say to us is opposite what they intend.
The COMINTERN want Snodwen out there.
So the NSA knows everything about everybody, but doesn’t know about their own employee’s 4 year long effort to contact left wing journo’s to divulge secrets?
How can we conclude other than that this is the plan?
I have to agree. He is a traitor.
We may have found out important things about what our government is doing, but he has **** the bed with this Moscow business.
What happens if the next president is a republican, but a RINO? Is it ok to betray the country then? Do we only have to be loyal if the president is a conservative or we agree with him?
It sounds like he wants to be viewed as a martyr, but doesn’t want to have to suffer the consequences like one.
It was not Hong Kong’s response but it was China. But Obama got the big finger up his backside.
Obama does a good enough job of that on his own.
“setting Obama and his admin on fire with his revelations with worldwide repercussions..and no one has walked by him with a needle to off him???”
It’s amazing to me how blithely the observation (and sometimes the wish) is made that the US Government would
_naturally_ murder someone who reveals their unconstitutional totalitarian spying on the American people.
Nazis and Communists do that, not Americans. It shows how far we’ve fallen that it is almost expected from our leaders.
Our government murders people.
Yeah, it happens.
And not just in movies and shows like Burn Notice.
Of course, Jackie O believes LBJ murdered her husband.
But that’s just a conspiracy theory.......
P.S. why do you think the Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on Operation Northwoods. Because it was acceptable to them.
But then again...I believe the former head of the CIA was assassinated. I am talking about William Colby..
"Oh, who's being naive, Kay?"
“Has no one stopped to imagine that even one terror plot under surveillance last month has gone silent with the “warning” Snowden provided the perpetrators? Has anyone bothered to think of who will die if that plot is realized? “
The point you are missing is that we don’t believe that OUR security and safety is the reason for the NSA’s actions.
We have plenty of reason to suspect that what has been going on has resulted in severe compromises to liberty and freedom and the constitution. We now have reason to suspect even more strongly that elected officials are being blackmailed, that certain justices on the supreme court are being blackmailed.
What you don’t seem to get is that those in control of the U.S. government are clearly on a mission to destroy our constitution and our way of life.
You don’t seem to recognize who the enemies really are.
“What happens if the next president is a republican, but a RINO? Is it ok to betray the country then?”
If he actually collects more information domestically than the Stasi, and uses every agency to suppress the formation of political dissent, then yeah, it’s ok to go Snowden on them. It’s what a patriot would do, repub or not.
Unless of course, one believes that American citizens should naturally be subjected to massive and pervasive internal spying and surveillance.
If you are correct, as most honest people agree you are, that our government uses clandestine murder as a normal tool, then our nation is deeply off course.
“The point you are missing is that we don’t believe that OUR security and safety is the reason for the NSA’s actions.”
Well stated. How can one watch every action of our leaders, from the open borders, to our current alliance with Al Qeida, to our support for every radical moslem revolt to be found, to our five fold increase in moslem immigration, to ignoring Russian warnings about Tsarnaev,,etc. How can someone watch all that and so much more, and still conclude that same government is spying on us out of it’s desperation to protect us?
I’m of the opinion that what Snowden is talking about is actually the continuation of ECHELON.
ECHELON is an old Cold War project, and once things like that get started, they tend to have an inertia of their own - they never really shut down, they just change the name as needed.
They are spying on the Tea Party, not Muslims.
Of course, for the time being, he has touched some serious nerves, big time, but until he ends up with a final distination in a place like Caracas (Venezuela) or Cuba, I will reserve judgement. At this point, it appears the Ambassador of ECUADOR to Russia was the one at Sheremtyevo Airport a little while ago, who whisked him off from the premises. I imagine some kind of asylum application situation is going through. I think a BIG difference between Quito and Caracas. We will only have to see. I still think he might end up in Iceland, but with the Latin Americans on the scene, something is moving the story in that direction it would seem. Factoid: The black diplomatic car at the Russian airport was Ecuadorian, not Venezuelan. While their flags are similar, Venezuela has eight stars in a half circle in the center with a small coat of arms in the upper left, whereas Ecuador has no stars in the center but a large coat of arms. This was the Embassy car in Russia today waiting for Snowden. Course, they could also be playing some kind of "shell game".
Under your hypothetical, I wouldn’t consider him a traitor.
I just get a bad feeling about this guy. I don’t know what his motives are. Him flying to Moscow just rubs me the wrong way. I know it may just be a stop, but it is still strange. And why Hong Kong?
I just feel like if you find out something that the government is doing wrong, and you want to expose it, you do so and either stay here and take what is coming to you, or go into hiding.
I feel like i’m watching a reality show with what this guy is doing.
You gotta watch the video at 15. It’s short and weird.
Fox news did have a picture of a limo at the airport,,,,it had Venezuelan flags flapping,
Add another hand and soon they’ll be playing ‘say,say my playmate’.
USSA oligarchs don't have miniature giraffes, card playing dogs and ultra hot Russian babes?
That's where I'm at. He should have gone to some sympathetic Senator (Rand Paul) and asked for protection as he spilled the beans. Yes, he'd get arrested, but that would have aroused even more sympathy for him
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