Posted on 06/13/2013 2:02:30 PM PDT by Kaslin
Pelosi: Late-term abortions 'sacred'
Pelosi falsely claimed two things in her response.
1) Legislation being considered in the House bans abortion past 20 weeks. Pelosi said the legislation would ban all abortions.
2) Pelosi said Gosnell is an isolated case, which isn't true. LiveAction and LifeNews have extensively reported and documented cases of abortionists all over the country who consistently operate in similar ways as Gosnell did.
President of the pro-life Susan B. Anthony List Marjorie Dannenfelser released the following statement in response to Pelosi's comments.
“As a mother and practicing Catholic, I have a modest proposal for Mrs. Pelosi: that she consider the Church's teaching which says each life is sacred and reject the idea that each abortion is."Senior Policy Advisor for The Catholic Association Maureen Ferguson has also released a statement in response.
“After witnessing firsthand the atrocious human rights abuses taking place inside America's late-term abortion clinics it is amazing that this did not touch Nancy Pelosi's heart. What we learned from the Gosnell trial and what we understand is going on inside other clinics is not only human rights abuse but it also puts women in harm’s way. The only difference between the Gosnell ‘after-birth’ abortions and legal late-term abortions is the location of the baby at the time of death. And contrary to Pelosi's extreme claim that the Franks bill is ‘disrespectful’ to women, the majority of women are opposed to late-term abortions according to a recent Gallup poll."
One big difference between heretics and Catholics. How many Catholics rant and rave about how bad other faiths are? Not too many. Now tell me how many protestants rant and rave about Catholics? Millions and you lead the pack. The reason is obvious. It’s called guilt. You know the true faith and refuse to accept it. Have a great day and don’t bother me anymore with your childish rants. I’ll say a special prayer for you at Mass.
“To be deep into history is to cease to be PROTESTant”
~ Cardinal John Henry Newman
Uh, hate to break it to you, but late-term abortion is about as outrageous and evil that can possibly exist. And your utter dismissal of the morality of every other faith in the world is forgivable, in the the way ignorant little boys are forgivable who pull their eyes sideways and make buck teeth at the Chinese. Except that you're not a little boy, so I guess you're not so forgivable.
If you are so concerned about Pelosi why don't you write to the bishop of her home parish -- where the real authority lies regarding her continued partaking of the sacraments.
Try to keep up - I'm not concerned with Pelosi. I'm just acknowledging that the Pope's accepting her for the sacrament of communion is a clear acceptance on her publicly declared position that late-term abortion is a sacred part of the Catholic faith. YOU people seem concerned about that, while refusing to even acknowledge that you are at odds with your own Pope - something fairly serious since the Pope seems to be fairly important in distinguishing Catholics from Protestants, eh? And I just love how you do that government pass-the-buck thing at the drop of a hat, shifting the blame from the pope to the Bishop. Hey, how about going down to the priest level, or even yet, a layperson communion giver-outer who got confused somehow? After all, anything will do. It's only a sacrament, after all.
Of course, most of us would like to see her removed from the Church for her publicly stated positions, but going after people here on Free Republic rather than castigating those responsible for abortion and other immoral outrages is a waste of bandwidth and mostly counterproductive.
LOL, pointing out your hypocrisy is "going after" you and a waste of bandwidth and counterproductive? WHO, exactly, is responsible for late-term abortion? What would happen if the Pope castigated Pelosi for her stand, and denied her communion? Tell me - WHAT? What if the Pope excommunicated any priest who gave her communion? You don't think that would have an absolutely gigantic effect on the issue? Even better, how do you think that the extreme immorality of this issue doesn't require a papal stand?
Like I said, think whatever you want. But your arrogance is tiresome - there is a clear and direct problem with the Pope's silence in the face of Pelosi's absolutely extreme rape of this entire issue, straight in everyone's face, and her ability to openly claim her position is actually a teaching of the Catholic Church. What could be worse? Oh, let's see - how about no less that the POPE remaining silent.
Bah. You have no ground to stand on. If you stand against Pelosi, you stand against the Pope. And in that case, how are you Catholic - except, perhaps, that the Catholic Church allows you to live such hypocrisy as long as it supports the Pope's needs? And you think this is MY accusation? Look to Pelosi! She's GLOATING over this! So let's be clear that that's what it really means to be Catholic - just obey orders, no matter what they are. Just like liberals, they only get annoyed when you point out their hypocrisy, because to them the only point is obedience - not issues. And certainly not hypocrisy - what a tiresome bore that is!
So fine, you're obedient, though ultimately to what, I'm sure I don't know. Just spare me your shrill claims to morality - the stink of the dead baby bodies rises all the way to high heaven. But hey, just go to confession and - zip - no prob.
“Try to keep up - I’m not concerned with Pelosi. I’m just acknowledging that the Pope’s accepting her for the sacrament of communion is a clear acceptance on her publicly declared position that late-term abortion is a sacred part of the Catholic faith”
How old you? 15 or 16? You sound like a child.
They worship the Lilith, Satan’s bride
You need to turn the channel away from Jimmy Swaggart? LOL.
Well according to you there are no other faiths that can "rant and rave" against Catholics. I mean, you just said it yourself - there are Catholics, and there are heretics.
Pretty slick. Literally erase ALL of the faiths of the world with one contemptuous word, and then claim that they are all harassing you. And why are they harassing you? Why, because they are guilty that they aren't you, of course!
LOL, there's meds for what you have. Contact your physician.
Oh and by the way - if the Pope would just call Pelosi a heretic like you called me a heretic, how many babies do you think would be saved? And how many would have to be saved, before such a stand for morality and the teachings of the Catholic Church would be justified?
Now let's see, exactly which side are you supporting, and which side am I supporting? In other words, in the eyes of God, who's the real heretic here?
How old you? 15 or 16? You sound like a child.
Uh, read the article, St. Aquinas - those are Pelosi's exact words.
Like time I checked there were over ONE BILLION Catholics worldwide. If you think for one minute that the Pope is concerned about what one American politician thinks, even one that calls herself a Catholic, you are dead wrong.
If you are so concerned about Pelosi, then I suggest you get in touch in with her archbishop and tell him your concerns.
But from reading your constant childish putdowns on all things Catholic something tells me that’s not your goal. You are just another anti-Catholic bigot that likes to be noticed. You’re kind are a dime a dozen. You need to pray to God above to drive this resentment out of your life. It’s not healthy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW6hB5ykjvQ
Listen up troll, no one, least of all you, don't need to reveal the evils of abortion to me. Check out my Freeper page and then go back under your bridge where you obviously came from. And your lame attempts at pinning Pelosi's sinfulness and being a moral reprobate on Pope Frances is just plain off the mark and ignorant -- but you obviously can't step off of your high throne to realize the difference.
Oh, and BTW, don't relate me to "little boy," chump. Get lost.
So in the end you abandon discussion, and just resort to abuse.
Well why not - I'm actually disagreeing with... you! And daring to defend my disagreement!
Obviously, that can't be allowed.
Sigh. Yet another Catholic outraged over being disagreed with.
I know real Catholics - they're not like you.
At all.
Yeah, get lost.
I know a lot of real bigots, just like you. Don’t bother me anymore with your BS! Get out your Bible and read it and learn something.
This is what Fr. John Zuhlsdorf's blog [frz@wdtprs.com] posted:
Fr. Frank Pavone to Nancy “abortion-is-sacred ground” Pelosi (D-CA) as an Open Letter which I reproduce here for maximum circulation.
Tuesday, June 18, 2013
Dear Mrs. Pelosi,
Last Thursday, June 13, you were asked a question in a press briefing that you declined to answer. The question was, “What is the moral difference between what Dr. Gosnell did to a baby born alive at 23 weeks and aborting her moments before birth?”
Given the fact that the Gosnell case has been national news for months now, and that Congress, where you serve as House Democratic Leader, was about to have a vote on banning abortion after 20 weeks fetal age, this was a legitimate question.
Instead of even attempting to answer the question, you resorted to judgmental ad hominem attacks on the reporter who asked it, saying, “You obviously have an agenda. You’re not interested in having an answer.”
Mrs. Pelosi, the problem is that you’re not interested in giving an answer.
Your refusal to answer this question is consistent with your failure to provide an answer to a similar question from me and the members of my Priests for Life staff. Several years ago, we visited your office with the diagrams of dismemberment abortion at 23 weeks, and asked the simple question, “When you say the word ‘abortion,’ is this what you mean?” In response, nothing but silence has emanated from your office.
In what way is this refusal to address an issue of such national importance consistent with the leadership role you are supposed to be exercising? Public servants are supposed to be able to tell the difference between serving the public and killing the public. Apparently, you can’t. Otherwise, you would have been able to explain the difference between a legal medical procedure that kills a baby inside the womb and an act of murder — for which Dr. Gosnell is now serving life sentences — for killing the same baby outside the womb.
Moreover, you stated at the press briefing on June 13, “As a practicing and respectful Catholic, this is sacred ground to me when we talk about this. I don’t think it should have anything to do with politics.”
With this statement, you make a mockery of the Catholic faith and of the tens of millions of Americans who consider themselves “practicing and respectful Catholics” and who find the killing of children — whether inside or outside the womb — reprehensible.
You speak here of Catholic faith as if it is supposed to hide us from reality instead of lead us to face reality, as if it is supposed to confuse basic moral truths instead of clarify them, and as if it is supposed to help us escape the hard moral questions of life rather than help us confront them.
Whatever Catholic faith you claim to respect and practice, it is not the faith that the Catholic Church teaches. And I speak for countless Catholics when I say that it’s time for you to stop speaking as if it were.
Abortion is not sacred ground; it is sacrilegious ground. To imagine God giving the slightest approval to an act that dismembers a child he created is offensive to both faith and reason.
And to say that a question about the difference between a legal medical procedure and murder should not “have anything to do with politics” reveals a profound failure to understand your own political responsibilities, which start with the duty to secure the God-given right to life of every citizen.
Mrs. Pelosi, for decades you have gotten away with betraying and misrepresenting the Catholic faith as well as the responsibilities of public office. We have had enough of it. Either exercise your duties as a public servant and a Catholic, or have the honesty to formally renounce them.
Sincerely,
Fr. Frank Pavone
National Director, Priests for Life
Father Pavone is a great priest.
Well gang (and I do mean gang) I think we’re done here, don’t you?
We’ll just have to agree to disagree.
I will hold my position that the Pope is a non-trivial, extremely powerful person who Catholics see as holding the Chair of Saint Peter as the Vicar of Jesus Christ, and who holds absolute final authority over the teachings of the Catholic Church;
and that Nancy Pelosi, as the Minority Leader of the House of Representatives and a former Speaker of the House of Representatives, major author and mover of Obamacare and Obama’s policies is a major Democrat, liberal and feminist influence on the protection of laws which enable the murder of millions of babies through later-term abortion;
and that (in addition to everything else she’s done), when Pelosi actually claimed that protecting late-term abortion was something she saw as her sacred Catholic duty...
- and the Pope remained silent about this -
that that papal silence has protected enabled mass murder in a very literal, concrete and irrefutable way, and violated the apparent teachings of the Catholic Church as it allows the open HERESY of Nancy Pelosi to escape ANY papal condemnation whatsoever;
and that - given the Pope’s status in Catholicism - Catholics are now forced to choose between following the Pope’s silence, or obeying the apparent teachings of the Catholic Church in denouncing Pelosi, BUT - that this is Catholicism we’re talking about here, SO - what the Pope says or does not say, or does or does not do, IS the teaching of the Church;
namely, to have others speak denunciations, but not use any authority to enforce the teachings of the Church on pain of loss of access to the sacraments (let alone excommunication for heresy for supporting and empowering the murder of babies).
You, on the other hand, will reject all of that and call me a heretic and a Catholic hater, throw the Bible at me and tell me to get lost.
So I’m a heretic for acknowledging the power and authority of the Pope and a hater for acknowledging the enormous influence and power of the House Minority leader and former Speaker - while you are good Catholics for somehow protecting the Pope by asserting his incompetence through claiming he’s too busy to be bothered by this trivial situation and does not understand the significance of American events throughout the world.
Except, of course, that before you go you’ll want to tag-team more slander at me, along with contempt, disgust, revulsion and holding your breath until you turn red (because of my immaturity), and then follow it up by a loving suggestion I read the Bible and go to Church (because you don’t hate me, you’re praying for my soul).
And I understand - I really do. After all, it sure beats having to defend your hypocrisy, don’t it?
Mkay, I think I’m done here. Thanks for playing - you’ve done Catholicism a greater service than you could possibly understand.
(btw, Father Pavone is not the Pope - I just thought I’d point that out. Oh, and also that Father Pavone is not SPEAKING FOR the Pope, either. Just ask him.)
(btw again - I have no problem with people who disagree with the Pope. My problem is with people who disagree with the Pope and not only call themselves Catholics, but get righteous about it. Sorry, read some history, as well as your Catechism - Christians who don’t agree with the Pope are called Protestants. Deal with it.)
“and the Pope remained silent about this”
The Pope has not stood silent about a damn thing. He’s the head of over a billion Catholics worldwide, with the vast majority not being from the United States. When the Pope was the Archbishop of Buenos Aires he publically spoke out against the so-called “catholic” pro-abortion, pro-homo “marriage” female president of the country. He told her it was wrong and not Biblical. The socialist went right ahead and approved all sorts of pro-abortion laws and made homo “marriage” legal in the country. For some reason you seem to think that American Catholics come first and the Pope should spend all his waking moments chastising cafeteria American catholics like the dunce Pelosi. She knows the Catholic Church position and she could care less. I think she should be excommunicated, along with the creepy
governor of NY, but I don’t make the call. Their bishops do. If you have problems with Pelosi her bishop is the one to take care of the problem. Write him and be sure to let us all know what he says.
Who said he was? Anyone? or are you merely raising more silly notions, only to knock down your own stupid assertions?
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