Posted on 06/03/2013 8:55:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
There were two big shocks for me on election night 2012:
1) Obama beat Romney. I had concluded that 2012 would look a lot like 2004, i.e. a 50-49 victory with about 290 Electoral votes. I did not subscribe to the landslide (i.e. Dick Morris) but did see a narrow Romney victory!
2) All of the talk about the "hispano" vote. I had looked at anecdotal evidence and did not see a "hispano" wave on election day. So I was surprised with all of the conventional wisdom that "hispanos" had reelected Obama.
It turns out that "hispanos" did not really show up after all, according to the CIS, or Center for Immigration Studies:
"Hispanics were 8.4 percent of voters (11.2 million), close to the 8.9 percent the Center for Immigration Studies projected prior to the November election.1 If Hispanic turnout had been what it was in 2008, 450,000 more Hispanics would have voted. "
Unfortunately for Romney, whites also stayed home: "If white turnout had been what it was in 2004, 4.7 million more of them would have voted. Of the 4.7 million whites who sat home on Election Day relative to 2004, 4.2 million did not have a bachelor's degree."
It looks like Romney had a "white" not "hispano" problem.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
That would be sanctimonious whites
This.
All too true :(
Yet they did turn out. It’s not my premise that is wrong, it’s your assumption. Romney got more conservatives to vote for him than McCain, but he failed to capture the independents and moderates.
Crying media bias is a poor excuse when any Republican candidate knows they will have to face it. If Romney didn’t have a plan to counter it, then it’s another failure to be attributed to his campaign.
“At least you can sleep better at night since the election, right?”
What are you trying to say? Just come out and say it.
Yep, and it's gone now. I don't think it will matter but maybe we will squabble less next time.
Really? They did turn out? Is that why both Romney and Obozo received fewer votes in 2012 than did McLame and Obozo in 2008? Some turn out!
Hah! You tell ‘em, SoldierDad!
I said it. If you require a translation, seek it elsewhere.
Then he's a rationilizing moron.
JMO
Good point.
I wish I had more numbers, but there are people out there who just won't vote for Republicans because they think that they are the "rich man's party."
Romney was a particularly bad choice to win those people over, but there were limits to how well any Republican could do with that demographic.
Whites who stayed home in 2012 may have been Obama voters or stay at homes in 2008, rather than conservatives or longtime Republicans.
FWIW: Reagan's victories were at least in part rooted in dissatisfaction and anger about Carter's failures and the liberal politics of the 1960s and 1970s.
It's hard to motivate voters based on things that happened 40 years ago -- maybe before they were born -- so the dynamics of elections are different now from what they were in the Reagan era.
There also aren't those reserves of moderate or conservative Democrats ready to vote for conservative Republicans. They've either died or become Republicans or ceased to be conservative, and something similar happened to the moderate Republicans who also voted for Reagan and contributed to his margins of victory.
81 percent of what, it wouldn’t matter if he got 100% of the pro-life vote if half of them stayed home.
I still don’t know what numbers you are using since you won’t link to them.
“Is that why both Romney and Obozo received fewer votes in 2012 than did McLame and Obozo in 2008?”
Actually, Romney received more votes than McCain, which is why I said your assumption was false.
Unions.
McCain was running in an election that republicans couldn’t win, and against history itself, he was running against a wave and 8 years of Bush.
Romney was running in an election that republicans couldn’t lose, against a president worse than Jimmy Carter, and whose dismayed voters stayed home by the millions.
Romney couldn’t even increase the republican vote by a million under those wonderful conditions, it was a history making weak showing and cost us the Senate, and predictable.
Nonsense, Reagan would have swept the primaries, even the introduction of Governor Palin in 2008 proved that as republicans wished that she was the top of the ticket, and she was a much younger, much lesser known, female Reagan, Reagan himself would have swept aside the field.
Running the anti-Reagan, radical liberal Romney in 2012 was an absolute disaster.
A LOT of people were sufficiently unexcited about Romney that they stayed home. I still believe that the terroristic threats made on social media - that blacks would riot if Ohomo lost - played a significant part in urban (unarmed) whites staying home. Also election fraud was a huge factor - the rats can generate as many votes as they need to tip a close election in the inner cities where whites and republicans are not welcome. You could tell by the comments and demeanor of the rats and the media before the election that the fix was in - if more Romney voters had come out, more dead and nonexistent rats would have voted too.
Actually, no! Romney received 792,814 fewer votes in 2012 than what McLame received in 2008. Try looking up the numbers like I did.
You could say Romney received a higher percentage of the vote, which he did (47.2 vs 45.6); or that Romney received more electoral votes (206 - 173). But, that was not the point I made.
Obozo received 6,841,491 fewer votes in 2012 than 2008. If people claiming to have love of country, and who opposed the evils of Obozo, had voted for Romney instead of staying home, casting no vote at the top, or voting turd party, Romney would be the President, and Obozo would be sitting on the sidelines.
Here’s Fed. Gov. totals:
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/historical.html
Here’s Dave Leip’s:
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/
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