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While this is an extreme example of what could happen, Josephine County Sheriff Gil Gilbertson said, “There isn’t a day go by that we don’t have another victim.”
1 posted on 05/28/2013 6:33:21 PM PDT by EXCH54FE
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Perhaps the woman should have had a gun.


2 posted on 05/28/2013 6:36:25 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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When you leave your personal safety up to someone else, they may let you down.


3 posted on 05/28/2013 6:38:11 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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Meanwhile, what does the same government spend on arts, or diversity, or library awareness programs, or any other of the thousand things governments tend to continue to do, after law enforcement is cut?


6 posted on 05/28/2013 6:39:41 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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no knives or back door???
8 posted on 05/28/2013 6:44:03 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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We, as a society are so weak that we expect someone else to protect our lives and property.

Intelligent people have weapons to protect themselves and property and are not so stupid as to believe that after 10 to 30 minutes after they call for help everything will be OK.

When seconds count, the police will arrive within a few minutes.


9 posted on 05/28/2013 6:45:21 PM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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When I moved to my current home in April of 1992, the Sheriff here told me that they are unable to protect anyone out here, and that we should be prepared to defend ourselves, families and homes without their help.

I asked him specifically what that meant. His reply: buy a gun and a big dog.

I took him at his word. To this day, still have a big dog, and now have my wife and both kids armed and trained to shoot.

BTW: I live in rural Will County, IL - about 35 miles SW of Chicago. Folks out here are generally pretty conservative in their belief's and as I know them, are well prepared to defend their families and their homes from the rioting Obama voters should they leave Chitcago and head out this way.

16 posted on 05/28/2013 6:55:23 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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Police and fire are second responders. American citizens are first responders.


17 posted on 05/28/2013 7:00:54 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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I would bet the city/county/state allocate funds for bicycle paths, art in the park, conferences for politicians, etc., etc. It is unfortunate for the woman but you generally get what you voted for.


19 posted on 05/28/2013 7:10:01 PM PDT by ProudFossil (" I never did give anyone hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell." Harry Truman)
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How can you live in an area with no police 24 presence, have a psycho boyfriend who beats you and NOT have a gun?

It’s an awful story all around but honestly, every person in that county should take her story to heart and PROTECT THEMSELVES.


23 posted on 05/28/2013 7:23:52 PM PDT by Personal Responsibility (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - Orwell)
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So there was nowhere else the county could have cut the budgets, eh? Not unessential staff, not unessential programs, etc?

Of course, it's the same at the local level as it is at the state and national levels. Make the cuts which will scare the people the most...public safety, the military, border patrol, corrections, etc. Don't cut any salaries, don't cut any government employee benefits, don't eliminate any giveaway programs for the gibsmedats.

But yeah, ultimately, we are responsible for our own protection. As the bumper sticker says, "I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop."

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

25 posted on 05/28/2013 7:29:03 PM PDT by wku man (Amnesty? No Way, Jose (No Se Puede!) by 10 Pound Test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsTUQ8yOI2c)
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The dispatcher told the desperate woman the only thing she could: to: (1) hide, (2)take another beating and then ask her attacker to leave, or to (3)call back during business hours because there were no officers in the area to respond.

There's more wrong here than just not having police available. Everybody comes up with the solution of a gun (which if someone threatened me would be my strategy), but it isn't the only possible effective choice. Some others are:

(1) Has she no friends with guts?
(2) Has she no pastor?
(3) With no gun I'd go to the kitchen and start boiling some water in pots that have handles
(4) How about a small pan with kerosene or paint thinner and a box of matches?
(5) Another pan of mixed vinegar and shampoo, or a spray bottle of Lysol, with a hammer or knife, or other deadly instrument right at hand. Blind him and whack him. Then call the fire company to take him to the hospital, if he's still alive.

Dang it, the dispatcher could stir up the woman's resourcefulness. Why hasn't anyone here on FR come up with something more than caterwauling over the "no gun" situation? What would you do if you had a few minutes yet to prepare? I'd at least tell the dispatcher I intended to shoot the SOB (whether I had a gun or not) and see how long it took flashing red lights to appear.

Not having part-time constables or deputies distributed throughout the county is inexcusable. Hate to think of the many hours I spent training for and fighting fires as a volunteer fireman. A neighbor with a shotgun would be closer than a deputy, especially if his/her quickness to respond was prearranged.

26 posted on 05/28/2013 7:31:16 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Come and hear, all ye that fear God, and I will declare what He has done for my soul. Ps 66:16)
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Hard to say, some strategies might disable him only temporarily and make him even madder (pepper spray, wasp spray). If she killed him would there be no cop until morning? How about calling the fire department or ambulance with “chest pains” or a “stovetop fire”?


28 posted on 05/28/2013 7:55:59 PM PDT by informavoracious (We're being "punished" with Stanley Ann's baby. Obamacare: shovel-ready healthcare.)
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Underfunded, I call that a lie. Local govts always have monies they use that underfunded excuse to extort taxpayers to pay more taxes.


29 posted on 05/28/2013 7:59:29 PM PDT by RginTN
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So, what is always fun when a story like this comes up, you take a peek behind the curtain and see just what's going on.

Let's start with just how much does it cost the county for deputies: The average salary and benefits is $105,000 per deputy. This is compared to the average income per male worker in the county of $30,000. So the average deputy costs three times as much as the average employed person; a pretty sizable inflation of employment cost, simply because the person is a county employee.

But hey, we're talking deputies, they put their lives on the line, surely it is fair that they get a bit more..

Dispatchers pull down an average of $80,000, nearly three times average employment. Techs pull down only $80,000 as well, but most of them are half employees. Administrative services pulls down a far more respectable $45,000, but only works half the time.

You go on down the list, it is repeated time and time again - the county employees are looting the county treasury for every penny they can nab. In fact, I could find no county employee which pulled down a salary and benefits which was in line with the average earnings of the citizens of the county. The closest I could find was a full time county employee that only earned $28,000 in salary, but pulled down more than $18,000 in benefits.

Citizens, everywhere, need to re-take government from the employees and once again turn government into the servant of the people. While the department in this case refuses to offer any emergency services outside of ‘office hours’, you can bet that every one of them is enjoying well over a full month of vacation each year. Simply chopping out three vacation days from each employee would create the staff, at the same costs, to provide coverage over the weekends.

Better would be to drop all salaries, across the board, to be more in line with income of residents in the area, and hand them the full check, letting them pick and choose what benefits they want.

It took me minutes to find the budgetary solution to this issue. Which means to me that they feel no urge whatsoever from the public to correct this issue. While I am a great supporter of personal protection and security, the excuse that there's no money to have the office open is utter fiction. There is, they are simply too greedy to cede what is needed to accomplish it.

30 posted on 05/28/2013 8:13:30 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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I WOULD NEVER EXPECT THE POLICE TO SHOW UP IN TIME TO STOP A CRIME. I live in rural are and there are only two police officers on shift at a time for the entire county. Never would cross my mind to think they would get there in time to help!


32 posted on 05/28/2013 8:23:09 PM PDT by therut
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...campaigning for a May 21 special election regarding raising property taxes from 59 cents to $1.48 per $1,000 of property value. The tax levy would have raised funds for law enforcement and public safety, however, the community voted against the tax increase...

Excellent! Who in their right mind would vote to nearly triple their property taxes, especially when the "services" provided by government tend to be welfare services for members of the Democrat party's moocher base who don't even own property?

Anyway, this woman had already taken a beating and had to know this assclown would probably show up again, but still didn't at least go buy a shotgun??

33 posted on 05/28/2013 8:25:37 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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If she had shot an killed the perp, the LEO’s would have been there in minutes!


36 posted on 05/28/2013 9:05:09 PM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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Under normal circumstances a community would be outraged because of the dispatcher’s callous instructions, but everything she said was true.

I'm sorry, but that's bull____. The operator didn't even try. There was no "run to the kitchen, grab a knife in each hand, and prepare to fight." There was no "While he's focused on a front door, sneak out a back window and run." There wasn't even a "Grab all the aerosol cans you can find and spray his eyes."

The operator told her to sit there and be helpless. And I'm sorry, but she listened.

I hope she's armed herself now.
38 posted on 05/28/2013 9:14:09 PM PDT by Ellendra ("Laws were most numerous when the Commonwealth was most corrupt." -Tacitus)
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Instead of government demanding more taxes, fines and fee, why not tell the citizens to protect themselves by purchasing a firearm?

Fact is, if someone want to kill you, the police will not be there to stop them.


42 posted on 05/28/2013 10:48:26 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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It is worthwhile to listen to the whole thing - especially the dispatcher who hangs up on the caller after around 10 minutes into the tapes, and the general inane confusion and insanity and insensitivity of all of these county workers and the state police supervisor for the county. It’s pretty incredible. Listen - I grew up so deep in the country that the one time we called an ambulance they couldn’t find us - and there was no 911 back then where we were - but really, this is just a profile in deferred responsibility, passing the buck, 100% bureaucracy and 100% laziness. Naturally the shake-up will be that “the county / the department / the State needs more money.”


44 posted on 05/28/2013 11:55:05 PM PDT by golux
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