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When Slaves Choose Their Slavery (Some women in Saudi Arabia against lifting ban on driving cars)
Pajamas Media ^ | 05/28/2013 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 05/28/2013 8:37:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

"I hope there will be no decision to allow women to drive at this stage because we have first to respect the wish of the people and the society." — Rawdah Al-Yousif, female "guardianship" activist in Saudi Arabia.

Some slaves prefer slavery: “A prominent Saudi female activist,” Emirates 24/7 reported recently, has come out against the decision by Saudi Arabia to lift its ban on women driving cars.

Rawdah Al-Yousif complained that campaigns to give women the right to drive ,

continue despite the clear response by the rulers of this country that any decision to allow women to drive cars is up to the community not to just 3000 people or to some articles in newspapers or online. I hope there will be no decision to allow women to drive at this stage because we have first to respect the wish of the people and the society…Women are also not ready yet to bear their responsibility and leave their homes at a time when news of blackmail against the women are widespread.

Ah, yes. Women are not yet ready to bear their responsibility, just as we heard in the antebellum South that black Americans were not yet ready to bear the responsibilities of freedom, or in the Jim Crow South that they were not yet ready to bear the full responsibilities of citizenship. This is a common argument that oppressors make to justify oppression; it is unusual to hear it offered by one of the oppressed themselves.

Yet Rawdah Al-Yousif is the prime mover behind a recent campaign in Saudi Arabia called “My Guardian Knows What’s Best For Me.” This involved, according to Emirates 24/7, “sending letters to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia in which women confirmed their full support for an Islamic approach in administering the Kingdom.” Al Yousif expressed her “dismay at the efforts of some who have liberal demands that do not comply with Islamic law (Shariah) or with the Kingdom’s traditions and customs” and railed against what she characterized as “ignorant and vexatious demands” to abolish the guardianship system.

A manual of Islamic law certified by the foremost Islamic institution among Sunni Muslims, Cairo’s Al-Azhar University, as conforming to “the practice and faith of the orthodox Sunni community” explains the guardianship system:

A husband may permit his wife to leave the house for a lesson in Sacred Law, for invocation of Allah (dhikr), to see her female friends, or to go to any place in the town. A woman may not leave the city without her husband or a member of her unmarriageable kin accompanying her, unless the journey is obligatory, like the hajj. It is unlawful for her to travel otherwise, and unlawful for her husband to allow her to. (‘Umdat al-Salik, m10.3).

This is based on a statement attributed to Muhammad, the prophet of Islam:

It is not permissible for a woman who believes in Allah and the Last Day to allow someone into her husband’s house if he is opposed, or to go out if he is averse.

In other words, a woman is her husband’s slave: he controls her movements, and if she dares to get out of line, another Sharia provision that is rooted in a Qur’an verse offers husbands a ready remedy:

Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God’s guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. (Qur’an 4:34)

Muhammad’s example is normative for Muslims, since he is an “excellent example of conduct” (Qur’an 33:21) – and according to a canonical hadith, Muhammad’s favorite wife, his child bride Aisha, reports that Muhammad struck her. Once he went out at night after he thought she was asleep, and she followed him surreptitiously. Muhammad saw her and, as Aisha recounts: “He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?” (Sahih Muslim 2127) Aisha herself said it: “I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women.” (Sahih Bukhari 7.72.715)

The Qur’an commentary Ruhul Ma’ani reflects mainstream Muslim understandings of this verse when it gives four reasons that a man may beat his wife: “if she refuses to beautify herself for him,” if she refuses sex when he asks for it, if she refuses to pray or perform ritual ablutions, and “if she goes out of the house without a valid excuse.”

If these divinely sanctioned threats and terror don’t work on a woman so recalcitrant as to leave the house without a valid excuse, there is always the opprobrium of her peers like Rawdah Al-Yousuf, who love their slavery and want to make sure their Muslim sisters remain slaves. It is, after all, the will of Allah.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: islam; mua; saudiarabia; slavery
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1 posted on 05/28/2013 8:37:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Even Moslems get Stockholm Syndrome.


2 posted on 05/28/2013 8:39:02 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (It is the deviants who are the bullies.)
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To: SeekAndFind
WHEN SLAVES CHOOSE THEIR SLAVERY...

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Vewwy Intewwesting...
....title for this article...

Might also apply to some groups on this side of the pond...

Jus' say'n...

3 posted on 05/28/2013 8:40:07 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve always found it an interesting philosophical conundrum — in a truly (truly) free society, can you sell yourself into slavery? Is it permissable to want to be a slave? Or should people be forced to live a certain way, despite their own desires? How far can freedom go?


4 posted on 05/28/2013 8:41:53 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: SeekAndFind

These women are just like Democrat voters. They want to be pets, and they like not having to make adult decisions. Freedom means nothing to those who advocate Sharia or liberalism, not compared with the simplicity of having someone else control their lives.


5 posted on 05/28/2013 8:42:09 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s their business, not ours. Stay out of it. My only concern with Saudi Arabia is when they try to spread Wahabism to MY country. If Saudis like their ways, then let them practice them. This really is a problem with our right AND our left: we’re far too eager to poke our noses into the internal affairs of other countries.


6 posted on 05/28/2013 8:46:32 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Even Moslems get Stockholm Syndrome.

For them “Stockholm syndrome” means burning the cars and rioting IN Stockholm....


7 posted on 05/28/2013 8:47:27 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: DesScorp

This really is a problem with our right AND our left: we’re far too eager to poke our noses into the internal affairs of other countries.

Yes and when we do that we ignore the problems in our OWN country like letting slavery and hurting of women occur in OUR OWN COUNTRY under the auspices of “Diversity” and “Political Correctness”.....


8 posted on 05/28/2013 8:49:08 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Pollster1

I have actually heard some preachers on the pulpit say that there are those who prefer to live in hell than heaven.

Read this from C.S. Lewis for example:

“There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, “Thy will be done,” and those to whom God says, in the end, “Thy will be done.” All that are in Hell, choose it. Without that self-choice there could be no Hell. No soul that seriously and constantly desires joy will ever miss it. Those who seek find. Those who knock it is opened. ” (THE GREAT DIVORCE)

This article is one earthly example of that preference.


10 posted on 05/28/2013 8:51:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: DesScorp

Yep


11 posted on 05/28/2013 8:54:15 AM PDT by chasio649 (Stop looking for heroes.)
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To: SeekAndFind
All that are in Hell, choose it. Without that self-choice there could be no Hell.

C.S. Lewis was arguably the most profound of all great Christian writers. He could just as easily have been describing the most lopsided Obama voting cities in the country which are the closest things America has to Hell on earth.

12 posted on 05/28/2013 8:56:33 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Excuse me you evil Western devils, but I PREFER have my clit cut off and being beheaded. It is an honor!!!!!”


13 posted on 05/28/2013 8:56:54 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Pollster1

[[These women are just like Democrat voters. They want to be pets, and they like not having to make adult decisions.]]

It may be deeper than that- they may be scared Crapless- as theirm en often throw acid i ntheir faces, dosue htem with gasoline, set it on fire, torture them, throw htem off buildings etc- The ‘relgion of peace’ makes it known that if an ‘uppity woman voices her opinion’ that her life is at risk- The men there have compelte domination over their women (which may be why our dear leader lvoes islam so much)


14 posted on 05/28/2013 9:06:30 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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Perhaps Saudi just doesn’t want to give up its title as having the safest roads to drive on in the world


15 posted on 05/28/2013 9:13:58 AM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have a friend who excaped Iran when the Shah was overthrown.
She hates going back see family as its either locked in the house or wear the Burka.
Very westernized lady.


16 posted on 05/28/2013 9:57:21 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: SeekAndFind

I have thought about this. I think women NOT driving is an upside for Islam.


17 posted on 05/28/2013 10:10:36 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: SeekAndFind
From the article:
Rawdah Al-Yousif "said women in Saudi Arabia must first be given their basic rights, including jobs, free housing, health insurance and other needs."

Oh yeah, she has a clear understanding of freedom /s

18 posted on 05/28/2013 11:19:29 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: riri
"I have thought about this. I think women NOT driving is an upside for Islam."

No, Then I would have to drive my wife to work everyday

19 posted on 05/28/2013 11:20:43 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: ClearCase_guy
I’ve always found it an interesting philosophical conundrum — in a truly (truly) free society, can you sell yourself into slavery? Is it permissable to want to be a slave? Or should people be forced to live a certain way, despite their own desires? How far can freedom go?

You can sell yourself into slavery, and agree to be treated like a slave and act like a slave, but you can't, in a legally binding sense, sign away your right to change your mind later. In a legal sense, involuntary servitude is prohibited under the 13th amendment; in a philosophical one, inalienable rights are just that. You cannot give them away.

20 posted on 05/28/2013 6:12:27 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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