Newark Archdiocese leader resigns amid sex scandal (NJ)

Associated Press ^ | May 25, 2013 1:46 PM EDT

[Olog-hai]

The second-highest official in the Archdiocese of Newark is stepping down in the wake of a sex scandal involving a former priest accused of violating an agreement with law enforcement barring him from working with children.

Church officials say Monsignor John Doran resigned Friday as vicar general and will no longer hold a leadership position with the archdiocese. Doran signed the agreement the former priest had reached with prosecutors in 2007. …

[Gay State Conservative]

I don't "dig" abortion or homosexual "marriage".Not one single bit.So maybe,just maybe,I'm not a "liberal Catholic".

[Ransomed]

Of course you don’t, I never said you did. What I did say is that all liberal Catholics hate the discipline of celibacy, and want to see it ended. Try to find a liberal Catholic who digs abortion, ‘gay marriage’ and priestesses who also thinks the discipline of celibacy is valuable.

Freegards

[Gay State Conservative]

I don't “hate” celibacy...not even that of the lifelong variety.The lifelong variety...(as opposed to Sundays...Holy Days...maybe even Lent)...isn't necessary or even *healthy*.Does Christ *really* want his vicars to be without the “companionship” of a woman (that word being defined broadly *and* narrowly) for their *entire* lives? If so explain the former Anglican priests who,having vowed loyalty and obedience to the Holy Father,are now serving as Roman Catholic priests in the US,Canada,Britain,Ireland,Australia and elsewhere.

[Ransomed]

Celibacy is a discipline, it isn’t a universal law, never has been, see the Eastern Catholic Churches and the Orthodox Churches. One can think it is valuable or not, but among Latin rite Catholics the liberal ones are the ones that are invariably for doing away with it in the Latin Church.

Freegards

[A.A. Cunningham]

Does Christ *really* want his vicars to be without the “companionship” of a woman (that word being defined broadly *and* narrowly) for their *entire* lives?

Apparently so.

"Who said to them: All men take not this word, but they to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs, who were born so from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, who were made so by men: and there are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven. He that can take, let him take it." Matthew 19:11-12

"Then Peter answering, said to Him: Behold we have left all things, and have followed thee: what therefore shall we have? And Jesus said to them: Amen, I say to you, that you, who have followed Me, in the regeneration, when the Son of man shall sit on the seat of His majesty, you also shall sit on twelve seats judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands for My name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall possess life everlasting. And many that are first, shall be last: and the last shall be first." Matthew 19:27-30

"Then Peter said: Behold, we have left all things, and have followed Thee. Who said to them: Amen, I say to you, there is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake, Who shall not receive much more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting." Luke 18:28-30

As did St. Paul.

"But I would have you to be without solicitude. He that is without a wife, is solicitous for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please God. But he that is with a wife, is solicitous for the things of the world, how he may please his wife: and he is divided. And the unmarried woman and the virgin thinketh on the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she that is married thinketh on the things of the world, how she may please her husband. And this I speak for your profit: not to cast a snare upon you; but for that which is decent, and which may give you power to attend upon the Lord, without impediment." 1 Corinthians 7:32-35

You quite obviously don't comprehend what the Priesthood is actually all about. The sacrifice of a conjugal life in order to fully serve God is a foreign concept to people who allow their genitals to dictate how they live their lives.

If so explain the former Anglican priests who,having vowed loyalty and obedience to the Holy Father,are now serving as Roman Catholic priests in the US,Canada,Britain,Ireland,Australia and elsewhere.

A miniscule number of men; whose career path in the Church is extremely limited, in the grand scheme of themes and who all promise to adopt the discipline of celibacy for the remainder of their life if their spouse precedes them in death. I suggest you talk to one of those men ordained under the 1980 Pastoral Provision and ask him who he devotes himself entirely to, God or his spouse. One of the two is getting short changed.

[Coleus]

there is NO sex scandal here, FReepers and the liberal press just love to bash the Catholic Church. The incident written in the newspaper had to do with a contract or agreement signed years ago and that agreement MAY have been violated. Wait for the courts to decide.

[Olog-hai]

There’s a reason why Paul wanted deacons and bishops to be the “husband of one wife”, AFAICS (1 Timothy 3:2, 12). Furthermore, marriage is an institution God created, even to the point where God described Himself as “married” to Israel (Jeremiah 3:14 and many others) and of course the future Bride of Christ.

[Coleus]

and why have so many married protestant ministers and Rabbis molested children?

[vladimir998]

Those priests who are married were ALL married BEFORE being ordained. The Church has NO priests who married AFTER ordination. Thus, those who are priests already can’t marry now because they took a vow not to.

[lawdave]

The whole issue of celibacy for priests is a red herring. Anyone who becomes a priest knows full well going in that celibacy is the requirement. People act as if this was a surprise to the men who become priests. They are given years of discernment before they choose celibacy.

Homosexuals have chosen the priesthood in past years because it was a place that a man with no interest in having a traditional family could find a place in society. I know of several older priests who I suspect became priests because the gay lifestyle was simply not available at the time, ( say, pre-1965). The sexual revolution rewrote traditional norms such that everyone thinks "if it feels good, do it." Including liberal and homosexual priests who ignore the Church's teaching and no longer believe that homosexuality is sinful. Some of those priests became bishops. The rest is history.

[Salvation]

Non-Catholic Clergy Abuse & Crimes

[Salvation]

Celbacy has nothing to do with it.

Homosexuality is the culprit.

[Salvation]

Passing the trash around.

Too often, problem teachers are allowed to leave quietly. That can mean future abuse for another student and another school district.

“They might deal with it internally, suspending the person or having the person move on. So their license is never investigated,” says Charol Shakeshaft, a leading expert in teacher sex abuse who heads the educational leadership department at Virginia Commonwealth University.

It’s a dynamic so common it has its own nicknames—“passing the trash” or the “mobile molester.”

Laws in several states require that even an allegation of sexual misconduct be reported to the state departments that oversee teacher licenses. But there’s no consistent enforcement, so such laws are easy to ignore.

School officials fear public embarrassment as much as the perpetrators do, Shakeshaft says. They want to avoid the fallout from going up against a popular teacher. They also don’t want to get sued by teachers or victims, and they don’t want to face a challenge from a strong union.

[Salvation]

The numbers for married Protestant ministers and family members are far higher than priests. Priests are last on the list.

The most probable pedophiles in order are:

Fathers
Teachers
Coaches
Protestant ministers

Priests are way down on the list.

So if a father is a teacher of mid-high history, coaches the girl’s basketball team and is a youth minister at his church on weekends/Sundays — watch out! He would be much more prone to pedophilia that any priest.

___________________________________________________________

Sexual Abuse of Children by Protestant Ministers

Report: Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year

Abuse by Protestant Ministers of Every Denomination

Child Sexual Molestation by Various Protestant Clergy

Baptist Predators website

"Yeshiva" of Brooklyn also Guilty of Child Abuse

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Teacher's Advocacy of Pedophilia Raises Legal Questions

Teachers and Pedophilia - In YOUR Backyard

Washington Post -- D.C. school officials reported 220 abuse allegations against teachers

Sex Abuse by Teachers Said Worse Than Catholic Church

WHEN BOYS ARE MOLESTED BY TEACHERS AND OTHERS IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY

OPS (Omaha Public Schools) didn't report abuse allegations

ANOTHER two Texas teachers arrested for having sex with their students

Forgotten Study: Abuse in School 100 Times Worse than by Priests

 

[ArrogantBustard]

Homosexuality is the culprit.

Exactly.

Those who cannot admit that pederasty ... the rape or molestation of boys by older males ... is part and parcel of homosexual 'culture' ... those who insist on obscuring pederasty as "pedophilia" ... are part of the problem. They are providing aid and comfort to the enemy. They are either enemies themselves, or they are traitors.

[MarkBsnr]

A specious at best argument. If marriage was the panacea you think it would be then there would be no shortage of Priests in the 21 Churches in the Eastern Rites that ordain, as a norm, married men. That isn't the case. Also, explain the behavior of all of these baptists since you can't use the celibacy made them do it crutch.

The Herculean task of the current Papacy is to muck out the stables. Did the Church do what it should have done for ALL of these perps? Nope. Is it taking on the task now (decades later than it should have)? Yup.

A lot of changes are happening in parallel. Cleaning up the sexual predators. Restoring the Mass. Proper catechesis. The list goes on.

[WVKayaker]

Then you need to brush up on your knowledge of Scripture to alleviate that difficulty.

Maybe you missed some of Paul's letters? Have you not read Jesus' Words? Two of the Apostles repeat them! God did not intend for man to be celibate. That is against His plan!

It is perfectly clear that anyone in leadership in the church should be not only married, but have an established family so others can see how he is able to lead. Indeed, we should all marry, man with wife!

Of course, doctrines made by men deny/ignore the existence of those doctrines instituted by God! The result is clearly seen by all casual observers. The Roman Catholic organization is a gateway for homosexual/deviant behavior. For reference, see NEWS! To make the claim that "OTHERS DO IT MORE..." is a puerile diversion from the facts of the Catholic restrictions on marriage.

Matthew 19: 4 "Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' 5 and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh' ? 6 So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

Mark 19: 6 "But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.' 7 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, 8 and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

1 Corinthians: 2 ... But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. 3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6 I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7 I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. ...

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1 Timothy 3: 1 Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task. 2 Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4 He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full respect. 5 (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?)

[GeronL]

bump

[GeronL]

I have heard tha happening around here too.

[RobbyS]

The Church has always been aware of the problem and has taken measures to deal with it. But no rule is better than its enforcement. Plenty of men were expelled from seminaries in the old days because they like being with other boys too much. Of course, many get through undetected. After Vatican II many priests forsook their calling, most to get marriied, and many just because they had been disappointed. With so many “slots” opened, bishops began to accept the scrubs and the queers. Many rationalized by accepting the new “therapy” notion, thinking they could “cure” these men.