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YOU ARE CRAZY: New Psychiatric Guidelines Target Hoarding...and a Host of Other “Illnesses”
SHTFPlan.com ^ | 21 MAY 2013 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 05/23/2013 8:50:54 AM PDT by Old Sarge

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"Do you stockpile food, supplies or other items in anticipation of a disaster? If so, you may have what’s called an obsessive compulsive hoarding disorder. "

So most of FR is crazy. So are Mormons. And many Christians. Nice.

"if you have any level of anxiety about the possibility of a major catastrophe, or your motivation for preparing for unforeseen events includes a distrust of the government, then you've got psychological problems."

This would put ALL of FR, libertarians, conservatives, even many democrats, all homeschoolers, probably everyone who has actually been through a disaster or has helped people recover from a disaster in the crazy bin.

41 posted on 05/23/2013 9:36:22 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Old Sarge
"Do you stockpile food, supplies or other items in anticipation of a disaster? If so, you may have what’s called an obsessive compulsive hoarding disorder. "

So most of FR is crazy. So are Mormons. And many Christians. Nice.

"if you have any level of anxiety about the possibility of a major catastrophe, or your motivation for preparing for unforeseen events includes a distrust of the government, then you've got psychological problems."

This would put ALL of FR, libertarians, conservatives, even many democrats, all homeschoolers, probably everyone who has actually been through a disaster or has helped people recover from a disaster in the crazy bin.

42 posted on 05/23/2013 9:36:22 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: lost in the snow; SoFloFreeper
Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

43 posted on 05/23/2013 9:37:09 AM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: Old Sarge

In the Good-Old-Days, it was generally believed that the “Loss of a Spouse” was the most devastating thing that could happen to a person, and that grieving was a personal matter and could take months.

Now, in this new DSM, grieving over ONE Month is considered a mental illness.

In the Good-Old-Days, we were all instructed to have Food, Water, Batteries, Flashlights, Blankets, and a First-Aid Kit as well as a SAFE PLACE to Go and a “Plan” to prepare for a natural disaster. The relatively low fatality rate in EF5 Tornado Ravaged Moore OK attests to the wisdom of this advice.

Under the new guidelines, however, “Prepping” is now considered a Mental Disorder.

I hate these guys. I really DO.


44 posted on 05/23/2013 9:37:18 AM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: Old Sarge

Just drumming up new business,, Big Pharma , big Psych clinics are all for this.. We’re all loonies, yaknow.. well.. some more so than others. ;-]


45 posted on 05/23/2013 9:38:22 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Old Sarge
Very sadly, this no longer surprises me.

F obama care. I will not comply. I will not file the paperwork. It's called civil disobedience.

If they come for me I will resist, meaning I won't survive the encounter, but neither will some of them.

46 posted on 05/23/2013 9:45:05 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Live each day as if it's your last. It might be.)
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To: Old Sarge

This is all very scary, but FYI, stocking up on wood or canned goods is not the definition of hoarding re mental health. Hoarding is being unable to throw out garbage and useless items like a take out menu from a restaurant that has closed and broken hair curlers. It is a disorder and it can affect physical health when the piles of junk with dust and insects and dead rodent infestation soaked in dog urine get too big.


47 posted on 05/23/2013 9:49:08 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Old Sarge

Leftist’s are nuts, therefore everybody is nuts in their World perspective. From their perspective it only makes sense. Their goal is POWER over the people, control. In their perspective what better means than this to control the people, to achieve that POWER they desire?

One can look at, study the Leftist, and always find projection at the base of their decisions, their plans. Just backtrace the bill, the legislation, and you will find a typical Leftist perspective behind it as motive for POWER.

The Leftist has to control, ‘cause everybody else is too stupid, and will screw everything up.


48 posted on 05/23/2013 9:51:41 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Proud contributer to the Free Republic Q-2 Freepathon.)
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To: Old Sarge

What about if you are a rump rider?


49 posted on 05/23/2013 9:53:03 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Old Sarge

” ‘professionals’ have already suggested that if you have any level of anxiety about the possibility of a major catastrophe, or your motivation for preparing for unforeseen events includes a distrust of the government, then you’ve got psychological problems.”


So the people in Oklahoma who were fearful of a tornado were mentally ill and needed to be put on drugs. Wonderful. Big Pharma will love this! Cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching!


50 posted on 05/23/2013 9:54:11 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Old Sarge

Disarming America


51 posted on 05/23/2013 9:56:22 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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52 posted on 05/23/2013 9:57:09 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: discostu

That is my goal. I must be crazy. Lock me up.


53 posted on 05/23/2013 10:01:23 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Old Sarge

Even before Obama care they were trying to label every sort of behavior as a mental issue or learning disability. Obama care will just make it happen more and with greater consequence.

We were all better off when only seriously mentally ill or mentally disabled people were diagnosed and treated. When it came to everyone else the theory was “takes all kinds to make the world go round” and unless there was an urgent reason to intervene people just lived and let live. Everyone has their quirks, there is no perfect in human nature.

This business, and it is a big business of diagnosing and treating people who are seen as “different” is dangerous, scary stuff. Not only will many needlessly take dangerous medications, the possibility of using that against those that don’t conform is definitely there. It is chilling that people who choose to store things for a future emergency could be labeled with a mental illness. More will follow- how about “worshipping” the Constitution, or the flag...


54 posted on 05/23/2013 10:02:42 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: SoFloFreeper
But sodomy is normal, right?

It was on the DSM for decades, until the board of psychiatrists that edits it accumulated a sufficient number of turd-burglars to vote homosexual behavior off the list.

55 posted on 05/23/2013 10:05:05 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: DJ MacWoW

That’s just dum!


56 posted on 05/23/2013 10:06:30 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

If you really want to not be able to walk in your house, yeah. That many guns wouldn’t do you much good, wouldn’t be able to get to them, or having acquired one get to where you need to use it. They don’t lock up hoarders though, just lots of therapy and occasional “cleaning parties”. They aren’t generally dangerous, just hard on property values.


57 posted on 05/23/2013 10:06:54 AM PDT by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: discostu

LOL!!


58 posted on 05/23/2013 10:07:28 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: yorkiemom; Kartographer; Old Sarge; JRandomFreeper; greeneyes; All
There has already been a thread about the new DSM-5, and I wrote a post about it. Below is that post. Note, if a person can accomplish his/her daily living, there is no diagnosis for anything and no reason for that person to go to a mental health worker unless he/she just wants to.

Don’t freak out over this exaggerated article on the new DSM-5. There are examples in the below post I wrote, about people who could not run their life and they did get a mental disorder “diagnosis” – I put a “label” on them. Your regular medical doctors cannot put a mental disorder/illness diagnosis on anyone. The only ones who can diagnosis a mental illness/disorder are psychiatrists, psychologists, and psychological examiners. If you don’t go to one of these specialists you will not have a mental disorder label of anything.

If you go to one, before you will get a mental disorder/illness “label”, you will go through some psychological tests. That was part of my practice. It took about four hours of testing and a long interview with the patient before I could make a diagnosis, if I made one. I didn’t make the diagnosis as soon as the patient finished the tests and talking with me. For a few days, I studied the results and considered the behavior of the patient in my office and the history the patient gave me. After that few days of study, I would make a diagnosis if one was warranted. Understand, if this case went to court for some reason, I had to be able to defend my diagnosis. I never made a diagnosis I couldn’t defend.

For a bit of humor: I cannot be psychologically tested because I know all the answers and proper responses. I am safe, ha ha.

Here is the post I made:

Okay, I diagnosed many hundreds of patients, likely over a thousand, and the DSMIII is in my bookcase.

As long as a person can run his/her own life, there is no reason to go to a professional counselor, or psychologist, or psychiatrist.

If a person cannot run his/her own life, counseling from one of the professionals will usually help.

Note, I didn't stick “medicine” in there. The only mental health professional who can prescribe medicine, is a psychiatrist. They normally don't counsel with the patient themselves. If there is counseling, the psychiatrist may have a professional counselor on his staff. That patient would likely get medicine plus counseling.

If your problem or problems prevent you from running your life, such as you can't go to work, you stay in bed all day, you can't think, you can't concentrate to get anything done, etc., search out a professional counselor or a psychologist - don't go to a psychiatrist if you don't want pills.

I evaluated private patients, patients referred to me by government entities, patients a psychiatrist put in a mental health hospital and needed an evaluation of that patient while they were in that hospital. Usually, the ones in the mental health hospital needed to be there.

I evaluated an ex-military man and gave a diagnosis of PTSD and I knew it was severe. A psychiatrist sent him to my office and immediately after the man left, I found out he had been discharged from the hospital - I thought he had come from the hospital and was going back there. I immediately tried to find the psychiatrist and found a psychologist friend in the same building had taken over that man's care due to the psychiatrist leaving town.

I told him it was a serious mistake to let the man leave the hospital because he was going to attack someone and that would probably be his mother. Sure enough, the next day, the man barricaded himself in the house and was holding off the police and his mother had gotten out of the house before he got to her.

I say that to show there are mentally ill people. This man could not run his life.

I evaluated a woman in a mental hospital and she needed to be there as she was a danger to herself and her children at that time. She was convinced the Mafia was after her and she had taken her small children into the woods to hide and wouldn't come out. I gave her a proper diagnosis based on her behavior and mental condition at that time.

This lady could not run her life.

Diagnosing a mental condition takes knowledge and the ability to know what psychological tests are indicating, and what an extended interview with the patient is indicating. A diagnosis doesn't happen when a patient sits down in your office. It takes extensive evaluation in all those areas to make a proper diagnosis.

59 posted on 05/23/2013 10:09:17 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Old Sarge; a fool in paradise
I don't know about use, but I know BS (please note what passes for acting these days.)


60 posted on 05/23/2013 10:10:53 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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