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1 posted on 05/23/2013 7:22:56 AM PDT by billorites
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To: billorites

“I don’t recall.”


2 posted on 05/23/2013 7:24:55 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: billorites

She has the Chicago mob and the IRS (Yeah. I know. Redundant.) backing her up. She’ll do fine. Probably get promoted again.


3 posted on 05/23/2013 7:26:11 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If you think ObamaCare is a train wreck, wait until you see the amnesty bill.)
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To: billorites

Has F. Lee Levin weighed in on this yet?


4 posted on 05/23/2013 7:28:22 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: billorites

I still think that this was advice from her counsel that morning as a way to request immunity from prosecution before further testimony.

She did it rather awkwardly, but Issa mentioned ‘immunity’ so I believe that is ‘in the works’.


5 posted on 05/23/2013 7:28:23 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: billorites

Is Lois Lerner the designated fall guy? Did her “expert counsel” advise her to take the course she took in the questioning in order to take the Fifth off the table? She said what she said as if it were thought out and planned. I doubt she understands or did the planning, though.


6 posted on 05/23/2013 7:28:47 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: billorites

This reminds me of the “Untouchables” or “Hogans Heros”. Nobody knows nuttin’ and therefore nobody can be held accountable.


13 posted on 05/23/2013 7:37:59 AM PDT by teletech (Say NO to RINOS!)
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17 posted on 05/23/2013 7:40:12 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: billorites

It is going to be quite interesting to see how well all the people Soetoro throws under his bus do after the brouhaha ratchets down. There are going to have to be some BIG payoffs to the people who take the fall protecting Barack “the Constitution Killer” Hussein. Of course, the most effective one would be the right to keep breathing.


22 posted on 05/23/2013 7:43:38 AM PDT by immadashell
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To: maggief

Looks like making up the rules as you go along may catch up with


24 posted on 05/23/2013 7:45:56 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.u)
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To: billorites
Yesterday, I was thinking either her lawyer wasn't up to snuff or that he was in cahoots with the WH to take Lerner down. Now, I'm thinking it is just overweening arrogance on her part. She thinks she shouldn't be held to the same rules as everyone else. "You'll hear what I have to say and that's it."

She is a true daughter of the Revolution. She's been at this kind of stuff for a long time. Before the IRS, she was hammering people through the FEC and, as Pamela Geller at Atlas Shrugs describes, was head of the Enforcement Division of the FEC and made sure not to investigate the mountain of illegal overseas money rolling into the Obama campaign coffers. Remember this sort of thing?



She's had a controlling hand in corrupting TWO presidential elections.

28 posted on 05/23/2013 7:48:46 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything. Bolshies' gonna bolsh.)
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In the 1990’s, Lerner also served as chief of enforcement at the Federal Elections Commission.

Under her direction, the FEC undertook the largest enforcement action in its history — suing the Christian Coalition for violating campaign laws. The Christian Coalition won, but in one deposition, FEC lawyers asked a defendant if televangelist Pat Robertson prayed for him.

James Bopp, the Christian Coalition’s lawyer, said he was “shocked and appalled” by that.

“Both political activity and religious activity are specifically protected by the First Amendment,” he said.

When Bopp learned years later that Lerner had been promoted to an IRS position, he became concerned.

“She was in effect being promoted for what she had done at the Federal Election Commission and now was going to be expected ... to replicate that at the IRS and now we know that’s exactly what happened,” he said.

Lerner is represented by lawyer William W. Taylor, who is noted for winning a dismissal of all charges against former IMF director Dominique Strauss-Kahn in a high-profile sexual assault case.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/23/irs-official-who-refused-to-testify-facing-more-scrutiny-over-scandal-past/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Internal+-+Politics+-+Text%29#ixzz2U7ydyFA1


30 posted on 05/23/2013 7:53:07 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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She's typical of all the stupid Liberals who believe they have some God given right to constantly ‘have it both ways'.

When you are intellectually sloppy and routinely spew dated and groundless blather... it is a comfort to believe that you can ‘have it both ways'...i.e., say what the he%$ ever you want, and NEVER corroborate anything that comes out of your mouth... yet demand perfect credulity from EVERYONE else!’.

Too bad, but once in a while you run into a brick wall... it's called REALITY.

THIS particular Liberal made the mistake of pulling this stunt IN PUBLIC and in FULL VIEW of all and sundry.

Even the traditionally biased MSM can't undo what she so recklessly and arrogantly did for all the world to see! :)

32 posted on 05/23/2013 7:53:59 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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Apparently, Ms. Lerner made statements to the committee or committee staff before yesterday, either in person, answering written questions, or both, regarding the committee’s IRS-targeting investigation. The courts have held that a person can be deemed to have waived the privilege in prior testimony if the testimony was part of the “same proceeding.”

To heck with her, what about the rest of us? This means any of us could unintentionally "waive the privilege" before we knew we might need to use it.

Aside from duty, honor, the pursuit of justice, etc., why should anyone answer any questions ever? You can screw yourself without meaning to or even knowing it.

39 posted on 05/23/2013 8:00:06 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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Since this is not a criminal or civil trial but, rather a forum of inquiry , then she can make a limited statement and then invoke the 5th amendment i, which precludes her from possible self incrmination in a future process of criminal or civil action.


48 posted on 05/23/2013 8:28:06 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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I think she’s constitutionally entitled to assert the Fifth.

However, I also think she’s perjured herself by trying to have her cake and eat it too. That is, she first proclaims complete innocence in the matter and then takes the Fifth. (Her follow-up comment that the Fifth is there to protect the innocent is just wrong; it’s there to protect the guilty from having to incriminate themselves.)

So, her two positions are:

1) I’m completely innocent (presented as a statement of fact, not opinion)

2) I’m invoking the Fifth Amendment because I believe my testimony might possibly be incriminating in some way. (Whether she thinks the odds are slim of her testimony being self-incriminating is irrelevant; invoking it directly implies that she fears incriminating herself with her testimony.)

She can’t have it both ways. Either her statement of fact (her proclaimed innocence) needs to be formally withdrawn, or her invocation of the Fifth. One or the other is a lie. If she’s is in fact innocent she has nothing to fear in testifying and can’t invoke the Fifth without lying. If she fears self-incrimination, she can invoke the Fifth, but can’t make her factual statement of innocence without lying.

In other words, if she stands by both positions, one of them is an obvious lie and she should be judged guilty of perjury.

Again, I have no problem with her taking the Fifth, but if she does, she has to also recant her statement that she is innocent. If she won’t, compel her testimony and find her in contempt if she refuses.

The reason no one has seen anything like this before is because no one should try what she tried. It’s not a tenable position and should subject her to perjury charges if she stays with it. (I’m not a lawyer, but I’m surprised her lawyer would let her try what she did.)


49 posted on 05/23/2013 8:32:50 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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I knew this, the question is why Issa didn’t know this. He’s been a huge disappointment.


50 posted on 05/23/2013 8:41:11 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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IIRC, Lerner was in charge of the Federal Elections Commision durint the elections for Obama where voter fraud was rampant. She is a crook from the first jump, and an Obama sycophant.

The revolution will get her, also. We have a targert rich environment which grows every day.


52 posted on 05/23/2013 9:41:31 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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-——she couldn’t resist citing -——

I believe she was coached but being the arrogant bitch acolyte she is, lost control and ad libbed.

Bottom line, she was unable to resist putting forward the lie.

If justice doesn’t prevail then possibly injustice will.


57 posted on 05/23/2013 12:25:40 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....Obama Denies Role in Government)
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Anyone know the year Lois Lerner begin working at IRS? Did she leave the FEC and immediately begin working in her current position at the IRS? Was it an appointment?


59 posted on 05/23/2013 1:10:36 PM PDT by Toespi
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