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Darrell Issa: Lois Lerner lost her rights
Politico ^ | May 22, 2013 | Rachael Bade

Posted on 05/22/2013 12:34:42 PM PDT by Second Amendment First

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa said embattled IRS official Lois Lerner waived her Fifth Amendment rights and will be hauled back to appear before his panel again.

The California Republican said Lerner’s Fifth Amendment right to avoid self-incrimination was voided when she gave an opening statement this morning denying any wrongdoing and professing pride in her government service.

“When I asked her her questions from the very beginning, I did so so she could assert her rights prior to any statement,” Issa told POLITICO. “She chose not to do so — so she waived.”

Lerner triggered the IRS scandal on May 10 when she acknowledged that the agency wrongly targeted conservative groups applying for a tax exemption. Her lawyer told the House committee earlier this week that she would exercise her Fifth Amendment.

She appeared before Issa’s committee this morning under the order of a subpoena and surprised many by reading a strong statement to the panel.

“I have not done anything wrong,” she said. “I have not broken any laws. I have not violated any IRS rules or regulations, and I have not provided false information to this or any other committee.”

Issa dismissed her from the committee room once it became clear she wouldn’t answer questions.

Lerner’s decision to speak at all immediately triggered a dust-up among lawmakers who were confused about whether she gave up her Fifth Amendment protections when she made an opening statement.

Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), a former federal prosecutor, said Lerner lost her rights the minute she started proclaiming her innocence, and that lawmakers therefore were entitled to question her. But Ranking Democrat Elijah Cummings of Maryland said hearing rules were not like those of a courtroom.

During the incident, Issa did not flat-out say whether or not Lerner had indeed waived her rights but instead tried to coax her into staying by offering to narrow the scope of questions.

By the afternoon, Issa was taking a harder stand.

“The precedents are clear that this is not something you can turn on and turn off,” he told POLITICO. “She made testimony after she was sworn in, asserted her innocence in a number of areas, even answered questions asserting that a document was true … So she gave partial testimony and then tried to revoke that.”

He said he was not expecting that.

“I understand from her counsel that there was a plan to assert her Fifth Amendment rights,” he continued. “She went ahead and made a statement, so counsel let her effectively under the precedent, waive — so we now have someone who no longer has that ability.”


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KEYWORDS: darrellissa; fifthamendment; gowdy; holder; irs; irsteaparty; issa; lerner; lois; loislerner; obama; trey; treygowdy
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To: Toespi
LOL.

Not sure what that doc was...it had her name on it, though. She did seem to take a deep breath, after she put on her specs, and saw it.

261 posted on 05/22/2013 1:57:48 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: SeaHawkFan

Ask every question you want an answer to. Then repeat for every single Obamite. Then reap the benefit of endless commercial footage, ensure the dem defeat in 14, repeal all the BS, save the country and dare I say it...

WIN.


262 posted on 05/22/2013 1:57:52 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: SteveH

” I suppose Obama could toss a monkey wrench into the courts by claiming IRS investigations of the Tea Party groups tax status falls under national security,”

Well,,, someone has been sending the DHS to TEA Party gatherings.


263 posted on 05/22/2013 1:58:19 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

We could only pray he is that stupid.


264 posted on 05/22/2013 1:59:22 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: gwjack
But, us country lawyers sometimes spend too much time on strategy!

If that's a stealth bio hint, you're prolly finding this thread entertaining !     d:^)

265 posted on 05/22/2013 1:59:42 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Jane Long

I saw that too. Her facial expression changed dramatically. Gotcha!


266 posted on 05/22/2013 1:59:54 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: editor-surveyor
Issa blew it!

What can you expect from a former car thief turned congress critter?

Well, Gowdy would seem to disagree with you on this. Since he is a former federal prosecutor, I would rely more on his opinion in this matter than yours.

267 posted on 05/22/2013 2:01:39 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Paladin2

LOL! Good one!


268 posted on 05/22/2013 2:01:56 PM PDT by PuzzledInTX (Everything will be OK in the end. If it is not OK, then it isn't the end.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
You consider Gowdy's point of order a "rant?"

Wow.

Whose side are you on here?

269 posted on 05/22/2013 2:02:41 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Second Amendment First
If the IRS want's to stall and play hardball then Congress should defund the whole agency until they can get to the bottom of this and other scandals involving this corrupt administraion.
Congress ? pull the plug on the IRS and halt their funding until they co-operate.
270 posted on 05/22/2013 2:03:23 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: American Constitutionalist

Exactly. They have the power and have HAD the power to defund ALL Obama’s stalling. Shut down until compliance is gained.

They have not, instead funding Obama fully. You think by now people would notice...


271 posted on 05/22/2013 2:05:51 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Rennes Templar

“That’s probably technically true, just following Obozo’s orders, even though she knew they were illegal.”

I suggest you re-visit the Nuremburg trials post WWII. If what you assert is true and she was just following orders she deserves to hang alongside of Obama and the rest of that food chain.


272 posted on 05/22/2013 2:06:57 PM PDT by Forty-Niner ( the barely bare, berry bear formally known as Ursus Arctos Horibilis...Hear me roar!)
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To: SIRTRIS

Anyone can say “I’m innocent”, but it means nothing unless you can back it up. And she backed nothing up —


273 posted on 05/22/2013 2:08:36 PM PDT by winkadink (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
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To: tpmintx

And she has a law degree of her own. Used to work as an attorney at the DOJ.

She sure blew it this time. She’ll probably end up going to jail.


274 posted on 05/22/2013 2:09:11 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: RummyChick

Thanks! I disagree with them, but that doesn’t particularly matter, does it!

Have a great evening.


275 posted on 05/22/2013 2:09:25 PM PDT by MortMan (Disarming the sheep only emboldens the wolves.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Perhaps they need enough people to call their congress people and mention this to them.
Call it a emergency halting of their funding until they co-operate.

CONGRESS ! HALT THE FUNDING OF THE IRS BUDGET ! until they co-operate.
276 posted on 05/22/2013 2:09:27 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: cuban leaf
"a trick is to ask multiple questilns and throw one in like, “do you live in texas.” If the person answers, they have waived their right."

That's bull. I'm not saying there aren't courts acting like that, but our constitutional rights should not be able to be implicitly waived through that kind of trickery.

That's just wrong on the face of it, and we should throw judges and prosecutors that resort to such tactics in jail for violating peoples rights.

277 posted on 05/22/2013 2:09:47 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: winkadink

Prisons are filled to bursting with all the innocence in the world.


278 posted on 05/22/2013 2:10:39 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Quick Shot
You're quite welcome .. but I'm a cabinetmaker, not a lawyer, so file it away with a grain of salt, ehh ?     d:^)
279 posted on 05/22/2013 2:12:20 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Norm Lenhart
" Prisons are filled to bursting with all the innocence in the world. "

Exactly, " I am not looking for trouble, trouble always finding me " is their saying.
280 posted on 05/22/2013 2:13:02 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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