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Harvard students erupt at scholar’s claim in thesis (Richwine again)
Boston Globe ^ | May 18, 2013 | Meghan E. Irons

Posted on 05/19/2013 7:45:38 PM PDT by Olog-hai

Harvard students, outraged over a doctoral dissertation arguing that Hispanic immigrants lack “raw cognitive ability or intelligence,” this week urged the university to investigate how the thesis came to be approved and to ban future research on racial superiority.

The students presented 1,200 signatures to president Drew Faust and the dean of the John F. Kennedy School of Government, David Ellwood.

“Academic freedom and a reasoned debate are essential to our academic community,” the petition said. “However, the Harvard Kennedy School cannot ethically stand behind academic work advocating a national policy of exclusion and advancing an agenda of discrimination.” …

(Excerpt) Read more at bostonglobe.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: harvard; jasonrichwine; latinoiq; richwine; thesis
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To: Texas Fossil

Re: “Some Hispanics are very very conservative (we have those here) others are far left of center politically.”

In 2012, the Pew Hispanic Center completed a major survey on Hispanic-American voting patterns.

Their conclusion?

First generation Hispanics vote 80% for the Democrat Party.

Fourth generation Hispanics vote 60% for the Democrat Party.

That is the BEST argument against Amnesty I know about!


61 posted on 05/20/2013 12:22:25 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Texas Fossil

With all due respect, NO WHERE does the research claim that because as a *group* Hispanic immigrants are under performers and ergo ALL individuals in that group are under performers. Obviously one should judge an individual on his own merits. He merely gives the statistics that *as a group* some groups do not perform as well as others.


62 posted on 05/20/2013 12:35:44 AM PDT by gemoftheocean (...geez, this all seems so straight forward and logical to me...)
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To: Olog-hai

Sounds to me that these 1,200 students are demanding a school policy of exclusion and are advancing an agenda of discrimination against one student. It’s like an old fashioned democrat party lead lynch mob.


63 posted on 05/20/2013 12:40:13 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

...say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it’s an ethos.
—Walter Sobchak


64 posted on 05/20/2013 12:43:35 AM PDT by Chaguito
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To: zeestephen
First generation Hispanics vote 80% for the Democrat Party.

Fourth generation Hispanics vote 60% for the Democrat Party.

That is the BEST argument against Amnesty I know about!

And, by a two-to-one margin, legal Hispanics are against amnesty for illegals.

Which suggests the Republican party could greatly benefit by simply standing against amnesty...

65 posted on 05/20/2013 12:44:08 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE --)
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To: Texas Fossil

Sorry, I agree with the EEOC “idiot.” Quite likely the plant had employees of Mexican heritage who were far brighter than a high school kid — you know, like someone who could design weapons, rather than just shift parts around. That sign essentially said “our brightest Mexican is only capable of moving parts around.” I’m a white person and it’s offensive to me.


66 posted on 05/20/2013 12:48:48 AM PDT by gemoftheocean (...geez, this all seems so straight forward and logical to me...)
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To: Olog-hai; All

Sad part is a lot of PhonyCon GOP Amnesty Liberals agree with these students...and attack Richwine

Not a single person had a problem with Richwine until Heritage showed that the GOP Gang of 8 were pushing a 6 Trillion government spending Amnesty bill

Illegal Alien Amnesty is Anti-American Bigotry


67 posted on 05/20/2013 1:49:30 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: Olog-hai
However, the Harvard Kennedy School cannot ethically stand behind academic work advocating a national policy of exclusion and advancing an agenda of discrimination.” …

I have not read the thesis, but somehow I doubt it advocates a national policy of exclusion and advancing an agenda of discrimination.

68 posted on 05/20/2013 1:59:04 AM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: mcenedo
“I was very surprised that this was approved by Harvard,’’ said Fernando Berdion, a Kennedy School masters candidate in public policy and spokesman for the students. “I’m very surprised that a PhD candidate here would devote his dissertation to try to demonstrate that one race is inherently superior than another.”

if it an attempt at a proof, anyone who is unhappy with the author's conclusion merely needs to refute the proof, and voila, the author is shamed and discredited. The Left, as usual, apparently is more interested in eliminating dissenting or uncomfortable opinions, even those presented in the appropriate manner, than they are in the scientific method and proper discourse. Liberalism is a religion, and they simply want to ostracize the heretic, so that the basic tenets of their faith will not be challenged.

69 posted on 05/20/2013 2:10:33 AM PDT by Teacher317 (Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast)
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To: Olog-hai

How ironic.

No one has made more of the rigorous measurement of IQ than the 1200 students in question.


70 posted on 05/20/2013 2:29:49 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Richwine neither says that the differences are genetic, nor does he advocate restricting immigration by racial group, nor does he devote his thesis to proving racial superiority.

All he says is that whatever the causr or causes the differences are substantial and they persist multigenerationally. Rather than restrict immigration by racial class, he advocates candidtes be judged as individuals, with those somehow demonstrating a strong general aptitude being admitted. And he doesn’t focus on argents of racial superiority but rather looks at what our immigration policy should be, given the impacts of admitting a population with substantially lower aptitude—which he demonstrates by others’ research is a likely cause of so many immigrants falling in into our dysfunctuonal underclass.


71 posted on 05/20/2013 3:49:12 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Texas Fossil

It has been illegal for employers to administer IQ test for the past 35+ years, and wholesale distribution doesn’t require as much mental firepower as tech or scientific type businesses.


72 posted on 05/20/2013 3:52:24 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Texas Fossil

You don’t know that intelligence tests in hiring were banned by the government? This is why employers demand BAs for receptionists. Post less learn more.


73 posted on 05/20/2013 3:53:07 AM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: Olog-hai

Well, at least the rabid pin-heads have found something to do with their increasingly meaningless lives.


74 posted on 05/20/2013 3:56:02 AM PDT by AdaGray
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To: Texas Fossil

Richwine makes the case that there are Ted Cruzes in all populations across the globe and that we ought to selectuvely admit as many of them as immigrants as we can.

(Also, as white Cubans Cruz’s family is likely of mostly if not all European descent.)


75 posted on 05/20/2013 3:59:15 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Olog-hai

When political correctness almost always prevails over facts in the halls of higher learning education becomes a big bad joke.


76 posted on 05/20/2013 3:59:18 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: RobbyS

Part of Richwine’s argument is that those with less ability in a certain area than the general population in which they find themselves tend to downplay the importance of that area and to avoid even trying hard at something they believe themselves ill-equipped to succed in. Thus, immigrants with lower IQ’s moving to higher IQ countries tend multigenerationally to downplay academics even more than the new immigrants whence they came, and slide more into an I nderclass culture than their forebears.

That is exactly what happens with many Hispanics, though Hispanics tend to blame our culture for so corrupting their offspring.


77 posted on 05/20/2013 4:17:56 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Texas Fossil

Indeed at some point for many jobs IQ is negatively associated with long-term performance.

I know that police departments in some cases used to try to screen out any applicants who were too smart for fear that they’d get bored and leave after all the investment in their training.


78 posted on 05/20/2013 4:27:40 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Olog-hai

“Academic freedom and a reasoned debate are essential to our academic community,” the petition said. “However...

I stopped reading right there...


79 posted on 05/20/2013 4:28:30 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Olog-hai
I was in college fifty-five years ago. The IQ data published at that time was consistent with the IQ data published today. The Black, Mexican and American Indian populations average IQ was lower than 100. The White and Asian IQ's followed the same pattern. To put it another way Whites and Asians are the same.

The reason for the large number of Asians in our top schools is quite simple. One is seeing a special population composed of intelligent persons willing to leave their native land and emigrate to a foreign country(in this case the USA)in order to give their kids a superior education. Of course these emigres do have a better work ethic which merely adds to their advantage. Whites are being discriminated against by law. That discrimination is another question.

With due deference to the Jew ans Asian, in actuality the Swede had the world's highest IQ's.

As far as the question: What good is IQ the answer is quite simple-IT IS A GOOD PREDICTOR AS TO HOW SOMEONE WILL PERFORM IN SCHOOL! THAT IS ALL! The IQ test was designed by Binet for the purpose of separating out kids in Paris schools that for some reason could not meet a satisfactory educational achievement. In the 1930's IQ became a God and its misuse spread into every field. IQ became a criteria to separate the "Good" from the "Bad" a use for which it was never designed. Common experience matches the racial findings I have known intelligent blacks and dumb Asians and Jews none-the-less the general trend is in accord with the IQ test. The real decider is one's philosophy NATURE or NURTURE. Most Americans follow NURTURE.

80 posted on 05/20/2013 4:46:49 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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