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Any danger of a war with Russia could have been averted in 1945 if General Patton had been allowed to chase the Red Army out of Germany and Eastern Europe back to the USSR. A great time to have done it as the US forces were primed and ready while the Russkies were weakened and their defences worn to a frazzle. Not only would German scientists been spared a life of slaving for the communists and hundreds of US soldiers been spared a life in the gulags and miserable deaths because the US government wouldn't dare call attention to the evil captivity by their precious ally.

There would have been no emboldened communist China, hence no Korean War.

No Vietnam.

And no being jerked around by the worthless muslim arabs!

1 posted on 05/18/2013 7:52:52 AM PDT by IbJensen
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Russian parade glorifies the Soviet Union.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/15382-russian-victory-day-parade-glorifies-soviet-union


2 posted on 05/18/2013 7:54:23 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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I am concerned that Obama prolonging all these scandals and coverups will embolden our enemies. I expect if the scandals continue as news for months, we will see foreign activity taking advantage of our weakened state. Of course, Obama was weak before we knew of Benghazi, IRS, or the AP or EPA or DHS or HHS scandals.


3 posted on 05/18/2013 7:57:53 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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Anticipating the day when Obama gets our nukes down to zero.


4 posted on 05/18/2013 7:59:59 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: IbJensen

What makes you think that would have been so easy? Given the problems we had with the Germans (even as their Reich was collapsing), chasing the Russians back to the USSR would have been very difficult indeed.

A better, more bloodless strategy would have been to wait till Japan surrendered and then given Stalin a nuclear ultimatum.


5 posted on 05/18/2013 8:03:42 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: IbJensen
This incident also raises concerns over the increased belligerence on the part of Russia.

Whenever America has a weak, paper-tiger of a President who's capable of doing nothing (other than giving speeches with the aid of a teleprompter) that's when the enemies of FREEDOM feel emboldened and act in the ways of Putin's Russia.

Want this crap to stop? Don't elect Hitlery during the 2016 elections. Yes, it's that simple. America needs a STRONG President who speaks out unapologetically for FREEDOM around the world.

8 posted on 05/18/2013 8:12:27 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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Wars are fought for economic reasons, not political ones. The United States has not been involved in any wars in the past century that didn’t start without the full approval and backing of every major banker in the USA.

“The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer. [The New World Order] cannot happen without U.S. participation, as we are the most significant single component. Yes, there will be a New World Order, and it will force the United States to change it’s perceptions. “
Henry Kissinger
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Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.” — Henry Kissinger

“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.” — David Rockefeller - New World Order globalist


9 posted on 05/18/2013 8:14:34 AM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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History is never as clean as you want it to be. If this happened then this would have happened is like trying to predict the temperature a month away. If one set of problems was solved another would soon enough crop up.


15 posted on 05/18/2013 8:46:35 AM PDT by Sawdring
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Russian thugs bully the weak - and help their friends. Kind of like our IRS...

The Russian people know what it’s like to live with a boot on their faces - so do American conservatives... Putin bullies us - the IRS bullies us... Obama wants to destroy the Bill of Rights - so does Putin. Putin doesn’t believe in a free press - either does Holder.


16 posted on 05/18/2013 8:50:23 AM PDT by GOPJ (Conservatives were Obama's victims, but unlike the press we were aware of it.)
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Russian thugs bully the weak - and help their friends. Kind of like our IRS...

The Russian people know what it’s like to live with a boot on their faces - so do American conservatives... Putin bullies us - the IRS bullies us... Obama wants to destroy the Bill of Rights - so does Putin. Putin doesn’t believe in a free press - either does Holder.

It’s not the old days - when we had a country we could love... now it’s ‘our hellhhole’ is still better than their hellhole... Yeah, that’s worth fighting for...


18 posted on 05/18/2013 8:52:20 AM PDT by GOPJ (Conservatives were Obama's victims, but unlike the press we were aware of it.)
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Ivan flexing his muscle, is nothing new. What is new is the current occupant of the White House is Putin's bit@h.

5.56mm

19 posted on 05/18/2013 8:54:29 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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I suppose remorse over using the atom bomb hadn’t set in yet, either, so Stalin would have had to consider it a real possibility within a very short time after V.E.Day.


20 posted on 05/18/2013 8:55:09 AM PDT by gusopol3
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The Red Army in 1945 was one of the worlds largest, in sheer numbers. To attack it and try and defeat it would have been suicide. America was pretty well spent by 1945. Seven war bond drives, an entire country working non-stop, a two ocean war and the American people themselves weary of war. To have started another war with a nation that was an ally would have been a disaster.
24 posted on 05/18/2013 9:00:29 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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Good points...unfortunately both FDR and Truman had man-crushes on Stalin.

Patton could have taken Moscow in months. Soviet troops already knew their fellow soldiers who were German POWs were being executed by Stalin when they returned to the USSR....so the resistance would have been light. Heck FDR aided Stalin with the executions by making the US turn over Soviet POWs to the USSR


25 posted on 05/18/2013 9:00:30 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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The reports of the end of the cold war have been greatly exaggerated. Everytime Russia is down on her knees the USA picks her up and sends foreign aid her way.

The wall came down, Russian Tanks rolled through the streets, but did not fire on Yeltsin or the demonstrators when he demanded that Gorby be released, many signs that communism was on the ropes in Russia.

However, what did the west think-all those communists just converted overnight, and there was no more risk? Apparently, the jounalists thought so. They went around talking about the peace dividend, the end of the cold war, and acted like there would never be a conflict to report on again because all was peace and light in the world.

Meanwhile, the world was a much more dangerous place, because the economic disintegration of Russia lead to an uncertainty over control of nukes, the KGB changed its name and pretended not to exist, and the thugs became richer than ever as they lined their pockets with aid from the USA(borrowed from China and other countries).

So while the cold war may have subsided a bit, I never thought it was over, just that some major battles had been won. The death blow was never delivered. JMHO


26 posted on 05/18/2013 9:01:43 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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How come the Swedish airforce didn’t respond to this? I remember a year ago you saying how Sweden, by itself without any assistance from NATO, could defeat Russia. I am surprised Moscow is not suing for surrender following a major strike by Stockholm. After all, even with Russia’s nuclear weapons you were quite adamant that Sweden could swat the Ruskies off like old flies. What happened here?


30 posted on 05/18/2013 9:15:40 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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We simulated shooting their bombers down with a few Raptors.

LLS


31 posted on 05/18/2013 9:19:43 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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They always have and so have we, so what’s the big deal?


33 posted on 05/18/2013 9:26:06 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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In terms of geopolitics things are definitely looking interesting. Not because the Russians flew bombers near Sweden, but rather due to the overhang of events that have been occurring. Russia is obviously in a stronger place now than it has been in decades from an economic and military perspective. More importantly though, the rise of China bodes huge impact due to the fact that China, as it is now not to mention how it will be in the next 15 years, would have made the Soviet Union at its peak jealous. The world is becoming increasingly multi-polar, the Russians have learned from the mistakes of the USSR, and the Chinese have learned from the mistakes of the USA.

In my ranking of potential threats to the US I would have:

Number 1: Internal schisms and weakness at number one. The American economy is not as strong and resilient as it has been, and additionally it is being propped up by a structure that is simply not sustainable. There are several fracture points that can cause financial and/or social instability, and that is a big problem. Furthermore, the country is more divided from a political perspective than it has ever been before, to the extent that if a Republican (or Democrat) came up with a golden solution you can be 100% sure that Democrats (or Republicans) would say no to it.

Number 2: The potential of radicalized Pakistan. Simply put, if a nuclear weapon ever goes off in the US you can bet your marbles there will be some connection to Pakistan. Either via direct action (low probability), nuclear material and know-how (high probability, considering that Pakistanis like Dr. A.Q.Khan are responsible for the highest level of nuclear proliferation in the world), or ISI logistics and assistance (medium probability).

Number 3: Radicalized Islam. There will always be a constant threat, one that requires constant vigilance, because the moment the defenders rest the terrorists will strike. Considering the greater ease of a small group effecting a devastating physical strike (be it incendiary, economic, biological) it is far easier than at any other time in history for a small but dedicated group to inflict huge damage. Whether we are talking about terrorist attacks similar to the ones the Chechens have done in Russia (e.g. the Moscow theater attack and/or Beslan school attack), or biological agent attack ...it is far easier to do them now.

Number 4: A strong China. Whether or not the Chinese economy is built on cards as some say, the fact is that it has enabled the rise of a strong and effective military that is 100% oriented towards fending off the US. Already, the ENTIRE South China Sea is a no-go zone for ANY American asset apart from the Virginia and Seawolf class submarines. According to a RAND study even the F-22 is not survivable. In fifteen years the situation will just get worse.

Number 5: A strong Russia. A far less threat than China, but still apt to be a thorn in the side. Logic would dictate that the Russians and Americans would realize they have more in common, particularly considering the rise of the radical Islam AND the rise of China, and that the two countries would get closer ...but logic is insufficient considering how key people in both countries would never agree to a close relationship (damn the torpedoes). Thus, resources that could be spent towards addressing the terrorism/Chinese situations are spent on each other. Not a problem if it was 1981, but in 2013 going forward things are a little different.

Anyways, that's the lay of the land based on where I am sitting.

34 posted on 05/18/2013 9:39:26 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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Lots of things would be different if people had done differently in the past...


35 posted on 05/18/2013 9:39:40 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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Russian Bombers Perform Simulated Strikes on Sweden....

Somewhere, Peter the Great is smiling.

46 posted on 05/18/2013 1:01:56 PM PDT by dfwgator
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