Watch out for Petraeus in Benghazi scandal

Washington Times ^ | 5-12-2013 | Joseph Curl

[smoothsailing]

May 12, 2013

Watch out for Petraeus in Benghazi scandal

Joseph Curl

EXCERPT:

Carnival barker Jay Carney looked almost ashen Friday as he took the podium to face a suddenly invigorated press corps. Of course, the public briefing came after a private session with “reporters who matter,” a sure sign the White House is in full hunker-down mode — and, more precisely, terrified.

Speaking for the White House, the flack said the CIA was fully to blame for the talking points. Fully. “That is what was generated by the intelligence community, by the CIA,” he said.

For the record, this is what the CIA “generated”:

“Since April, there have been at least five other attacks against foreign interests in Benghazi by unidentified assailants.” That line was stricken: Everything was fine there — fine fine fine.

And: “We do know that Islamic extremists with ties to Al Qaeda participated in the attack.” That line, too, was deleted by … someone. Instead, this was inserted: “There are indications that extremists participated in the violent demonstrations.”

.........this scandal is just beginning. And the White House has picked a very bad scapegoat: the Central Intelligence Agency. The CIA follows RFK’s edict: “Don’t get mad, get even.” And when the CIA gets even, it isn’t pretty.

With the White House putting all blame on the agency, expect push back this week — nuclear push back. Gen. David H. Petraeus, the former director forced to resign after a sex scandal, is a dangerous man to the Obama administration. Mad and intent on getting even, he’s already talking, telling one reporter the talking points were “useless” and that he preferred not to use them at all. The floodgates will open this week, and by the end of business Friday, the scandal will be full blown...

[Sivad]

My rhetorical response question to Demo politicos who
charge that the whole affair is a GOP witch hunt of
Clinton and Obama is as follows: If you didn’t believe
this is a witch hunt would you be any more cooperative
or helpful than you have been so far? .....didn’t think so.

[imardmd1]

But do you think Patraeus will testify? Can he be forced to?

Treating these as rhetorical, my only experience as an infantry MG squad leader is ... zero. But I have heard and read that full generals tend to think on a little broader scope in the OST model than E-5s.

"We cannot allow the lesser classes to dictate to those designated to govern." (Alfred, Lord Tennyson 1809-1892)

(The sign of an Empire-builder.)

[PhilDragoo]

Benghazi was a gunrunning operation to Muslim Brotherhood, a fact covered up as much as the planned terrorist attack September 11 by the Al Qaeda franchise.

We may readily agree "Obama" is an anti-American Islamo-Communist.

John Brennan the Muslim convert was his first choice for DCI; delayed by the caterwauling of his leftist base, not the spineless Republicans in the Senate.

Now consider Hillary whose body person is daughter to the head of the women's equivalent to the Muslim Brotherhood, and close to Morsi the Egyptian sharia autocrat.

Backing this MB force is the Turkey less a NATO ally than a newly re-Islamisized theocracy.

Factor in Qatar and Saudi--and recall "Obama" bowing to the "keeper of the holy sites" and all of his other telling remarks.

The Arab Spring has been an Islamic crusade--a jihad--which Brennan pronounces a legitimate religious tenet.

It is well to presume CIA since its authorization for intelligence purposes in 1947 has assumed a major role as a covert operator.

Its global regime change regimen has been applied domestically, and Colby paid a price for revealing the jewels--a canoe trip in the dark--deniable, of course.

Goss' chief of staff John Millis called John Deutch the worst DCI for counterintelligence--for having compromised 17,000 files from pocketed disks via his unsecure home computer logging Russian contact.

Millis then sucked a shotgun in a bathtub at the Breezeway Motel in Alexandria, Virginia.

Nixon didn't know what hit him--Helms put McCord on the Watergate op (with Hunt, Sturgis, Barker et al) and Nixon went down--with a little help from Woodward, whose ties to Naval intelligence were hidden.

Gates has his eye on the geostrategic imperatives of an elite. His 2004 CFR paper with Brzezinski "Iran: Time for a New Approach"--and Kissinger advised at the time of the 2007 NIE that the time wasn't right to destabilize Iran.

"Obama" may lose his sense of destiny as the son of El Hajj Malik al Shabazz.

Dulles said of JFK at the end, "That little Kennedy. . .he thought he was a god."

The fellow representing the USA in Switzerland when German troops sent Lenin to Petrograd, who achieved the construction of the current facility at Langley having spent decades in service to clients known and unknown, knew how to have the last laugh.

A sophomoric administration stumbling into a minefield high on hubris publicly blames the Central Intelligence Agency at its peril.

[Right Wing Assault]

Odd article. The name “Petraeus” occurs in the headline and no where in the article.

[rfp1234]

Standard political rhetoric, the investigation is still developing. The Benghazi survivors haven’t been heard from...yet. The reasons why they’ve been muzzled will open another nasty can of worms, once the additional whistleblowers start talking.

O and the Beast “are not targets” yet, because no lower level officials (that we know of) have made deals with Issa’s committee to limit their potential jail terms. After that happens, the feces will hit the air circulation device.
We may even see Mrs. Clinton, Obambi, and Biden trying to throw each other under the bus (while Kerry and Cuomo laugh).

This is a scandal with many layers, and as it plods on, it has the power to cripple the administration’s agenda. The only thing worse than a lame duck POTUS is a lying lame duck POTUS.

[Former Proud Canadian]

There are a few who you can trust. Issa is very thorough and business like. He knows what is going on, very prosecutorial. The rep from Texas who is on Hannity all the time (Louis Gomert?) is good. Rep Gowdy is tremendous. No nonsense, intense, right to the point.

Conservative leadership in the house is confined to the back benches. Boehner, Ryan, Cantor et. al. do not inspire confidence. They are go along to get along guys, especially Boehner. There are about four senators that get it, they are new and not in leadership positions.

You need someone at the head of the ticket like Reagan, sorry. Sarah Palin was perfect, and the media absolutely destroyed her. The sad part is that a majority of people in the US bought into the media propaganda about her. Then they decided to elect a communist/socialist of extremely questionable background (muslim? foreign born? homosexual?). It seems as if the low information voter is highly susceptible to propaganda.

[Former Proud Canadian]

Here is the truth, Reader's Digest version:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3018153/posts?page=89#89

[thouworm]

Re: post 7, 48, 49:

**Assets that could have responded to Benghazi firefight**

MHGinTN (post 48, 49) has a link to a Nov 2012 video with Col Hunt and former Cia Mike Baker discussing (with map) what assets were available.

Recently, (May 10) Judge Jeanine had a 12 min show opening that has gone viral. After her opening, she introduced Col Hunt and Former Navy Seal Christopher Mark Heben (a friend of Woods and Doherty). They have new and specific info!!!

Video (3min) — Benghazi Attack Timeline Could Help Have Saved American Lives?
href=”https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=-548jVAYxNk

After the commercial, the Judge had Col Hunt, Heben, and Mark Baker continue the discussion. Especially important is Hunt’s answer to the REFUELING “problem.”

Below is a rough transcript of BOTH parts of the interview. I’ve tried to correct the most important transcribing mistakes.
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With me is fox news military analyst, colonel david hunt who joins us from boston and former navy seal christopher who was friends and a seal with ty woods and glenn dougherty.

00:17:32 Colonel hunt, I’ll go to you first.
00:17:33 I’m going to assume that the 30 at night in benghazi and lasted eight hours.
00:17:39 I want you it assume the official washington response was the assets can’t get there in time.
00:17:44 What’s your reaction to that claim?
00:17:46 >> It’s preposterous, it’s aie and we had forces within two hours by jet and three hours by air that were in croatia, armed and ready to go.
00:17:59 >> How far is croatia from benghazi?
00:18:01 How long would that take?
00:18:02 >> It would take about three hours.
00:18:06 This is a force from Stuttgart called charlie 110.
00:18:11 They were armed and ready to respond to this kind of crisis.
00:18:15 >> Who was in Stuttgart, germany?
00:18:19 >> There was a squadron from delta force coming back from a mission en route and at Stuttgart.
00:18:24 They were a little bit farther away by four hours by air.
00:18:28 But they’re available.
00:18:29 >> Can you tell us, colonel, before I go to chris here, can you tell us what is the purpose of delta force?
00:18:36 What is it made up of and what is a c-110 group?
00:18:42 What’s that about.

00:18:43 >> Charlie 110 is called the in-extremis force. It was designed with about 40 special forces guys out of Stuttgart designed to fill the gap for the time it sakes seal team 6 or delta force to fly from the east coast to europe.

00:18:58 They were designed 15 years ago, ready to do what happened in benghazi.
00:19:01 All they needed was the order to go.
00:19:03 Delta force is the army’s seal team 6.
00:19:06 >> All right.
00:19:07 Chris, I’m going to ask you about delta force.
00:19:12 It’s your version of the seal team.
00:19:15 >> Absolutely.
00:19:16 You were a seal.
00:19:17 How long would it take a seal team, assuming they’re somewhere around here, to get together and get to benghazi?

00:19:22 >> When seals are in a combat theater, which anywhere in this area would be, we’re on what’s called Alert 30 or Alert 60, which means we are on a very short leash.
00:19:30 We can’t be within more than 30 to 60 minutes away from our gear and bags and weapons ready to go.
00:19:36 If we got the call to go, we would be on a plane within an hour flying there.
00:19:42 Two-hour flight time, hour or less response time, we’re on scene in less than three hours.

00:19:46 >> You were stationed where? — >> I’ve been in Sigonella, sicily, in Aviano Air Base; I’ve been In germany; I’ve been in croatia.
00:19:53 All of those places.

00:19:54 >> What’s the frustration level that there were no seal teams, no one was ordered to respond?
00:20:00 >> The frustration level is very high.
00:20:02 There were guys in the area; there were guys all over the place.

00:20:04 >> You know this for a fact?

00:20:06 >> I know this for a fact.

00:20:07 There was a SIF (??) team in tripoli that could have been there in 2 1/2 hours.

00:20:12 >> They got the order to stand down.
00:20:14 >> Colonel, chris, stand by.
**************************Commercial***********

I CAN FIND NO VIDEO for this part. I have tried to correct the transcript from Judge Jeanine’s program that I saved.

00:20:15 They kept ripping away the truth 12 times to get to a lie.
00:20:18 How long now to the truth?

00:23:37 >>> You all remember susan rice appearing on those five sunday talk shows pushing the violent protests over the despicable you-tube video lie.
00:23:47 We now know the white house and state department lied to us about the truth, also to the press.
00:23:53 Mistake.
00:23:54 With me now former cia operative mike baker.
00:23:57 Joins us from boise.
00:23:59 David hunt still with us from boston and christopher heben is still with us in new york.
00:24:05 Mike, right from the get-go, they threw the cia under the bus.
00:24:10 Do you feel exonerated?
00:24:14 >> Yeah.
00:24:16 Unhappily so.
00:24:16 You’d like to think that the white house has more honor than that.
00:24:20 We’ve been talking about, judge, on your show shortly since the attack occurred.
00:24:25 The white house, oddly enough, is in charge of the white house talking points, the points that they put together under their direction to explain their position on any particular matter.
00:24:34 They would like us to think somehow that the cia is driving that train or the state department now.
00:24:41 As if somehow the white house is nothing more than a mouthpiece.
00:24:45 You send over your talking points, we’ll read whatever you draft.

00:24:48 It’s an indication of this continuing contempt that the president has for the public and the belief that they can’t tell the difference between a load of crap and the truth.

00:24:57 >> That’s an interesting comment.
00:24:58 Colonel hunt, I’m going back to you.

*****00:24:59 One of the things that greg hicks said was that he was told that they couldn’t get an f-16 there because they didn’t have an air tanker to refuel.
00:25:07 What’s your thought on that?

00:25:08 >> It’s ridiculous on the face of it.
00:25:12 An F-16 takes off, it’s super sonic.
00:25:14 From aviano, italy, it leaves and they refuel in sicily and then into benghazi and the same thing coming back.
00:25:23 We’ve been in combat over 11 years.
00:25:25 This admistration for over four years.
00:25:26 We know how to go from point a to point b and kill something.
00:25:30 They were never given the order to do it.

00:25:33 >> Colonel, why didn’t they get that order to defend americans?
00:25:36 Why?
00:25:37 >> The only answer is political.
00:25:38 Again, the military is so well-trained.
00:25:40 Along with the intelligence service, after this much combat, it’s a political — I don’t know why the president didn’t get the order.
00:25:48 I just know he is the only one that can do it.

00:25:51 >> Martin dempsey, you know him, you worked with him.
00:25:54 Why would he say we couldn’t have gotten there in time?
00:25:58 >> It’s disingenuous at best and a lie at the worst.
00:26:01 I serve with marty as colonel.
00:26:04 Shows you how good my career was.
00:26:06 But the fact is that Marty knows better and everyone in special operations community and the air force who is in europe at that time know better.
00:26:12 >> Okay.
00:26:13 And mark, you lost two friends.
00:26:16 The seal community.
00:26:16 I mean, this is what you guys do.

00:26:20 What is the feeling in that community?
00:26:23 >> There’s a big feeling of frustration.
00:26:25 This is what we train for ; this is what we live for.

00:26:27 There were half a dozen or more hardcore ass-kicking government assets that could have been on scene within four hours.
00:26:36 Nobody, nobody got the call. i said it before.
00:26:38 I’ll say it again.
00:26:39 They let my buddies hang out up there on that rooftop like a set of dog balls, exposed without any support -—ridiculous.
00:26:44 >> Why do you think they did that?
00:26:46 >> As the colonel said, there’s got to be a political agenda at work here.
00:26:50 What they’re covering up, we’re not sure yet.
00:26:52 But it will come out at some point in time.
00:26:55 This administration reeks.

00:26:56 >> Mike baker, what about you, i mean, the cia community, I mean, what is their take on all of this after you hear from hicks and the whistle blowers who had so much on the line and willing to take it?

00:27:08 >> Right.
00:27:08 Well, there’s a lot of people right now that are very thankful for this week and what took place.
00:27:14 As you pointed out, also for a growing realization from the WH press corps, they’ve been lied to from the start.
00:27:21 That more than anything will continue this push and give us more traction.
00:27:25 The agency, they’ve got a long history of getting thrown under the bus.
00:27:28 That part they’re used to.

00:27:30 To show that they were very clear in their reporting, leading up to this attack, talking about the deteriorating security situation and all the problems taking place, Al Qaeda and Ansar AL Sharia,all of those difficulties, -—then to have those pulled out over a period of 12 different revisions and have the white house now try to pass off this idea that is was the agency and the state dept, like well we had nothing do with it.

00:27:53 They’re driving the train.

00:27:56 Colonel hunt, very quickly.
00:27:57 I mean, you know, what about all of the forces that were trained to get involved in this and emergencies.
00:28:04 I mean, some of them actually disobeyed orders and left from tripoli and went to benghazi in spite of what the president didn’t order.
00:28:13 Your take on that?

00:28:14 >> Yeah.
00:28:16 They did from tripoli, but they got stuck at the airport.

00:28:18 We have to remember, if it wasn’t for the cia at the base, more americans would have died.
00:28:25 They heroically fought their way down a mile and a mile back to save americans.
00:28:28 They did it on their own.
00:28:29 It was a small, very, very good force.

00:28:32 But the issue is we had other forces that also could have been there.
00:28:36 When this fight starts, nobody knows, as you said, it was going to last eight hours.
00:28:39 It could have lasted 24.
00:28:42 There is no excuse for what happened

00:28:42 >> All right, colonel hunt, mike and chris, thanks for being with us.

http://livedash.ark.com/transcript/justice_with_judge_jeanine/51/Fox_News/Sunday_May_12_2013/647765/

[DuncanWaring]

Everything Obongo has signed as POTUS ... would be null and void.

I don't think that would be the case for laws.

As I recall, except for some special cases at the end of congressional sessions, if a bill passed by Congress is presented to the president and he doesn't veto it within a few days, it becomes law.

If The Won is somehow determined not to have been the president, all those bills still are laws.

[MestaMachine]

Money quote:

“00:25:48 I just know he is the only one that can do it.”

[smoothsailing]

Odd article. The name “Petraeus” occurs in the headline and no where in the article.

Sure it does. Petraeus is the only living man mentioned other than Carney, Obama, and two former presidents.

[ExTexasRedhead]

You can reach your elected Elitist hack in DC to add your comments at 202-224-3121. Ask for the hack of your choice.

[AllAmericanGirl44]

bkmk

[hope]

Thx. :-D I’ve enjoyed making contact with my reps and others, especially via Twitter and fake book.

[dragnet2]

Bookmark

[MasterGunner01]

No. A “pocket veto” is where the President of the United States fails to sign a passed bill within ten days, and Congress has adjourned. It is an absolute veto, and cannot be overruled by Congress. A pocket veto is also referred to as an indirect veto, simply holding a legislative bill until it is too late to either sign it or return it.

However, in this case, POTUS is a usurper who is occupying the WH through fraud. That invalidates anything he’s signed or done because he was never qualified in the first place.

[Brad from Tennessee]

This is GQ’s lengthy take on Chris Stevens last days in Benghazi including meeting with the Turk.

http://www.gq.com/news-politics/newsmakers/201211/sean-flynn-j-christopher-stevens-benghazi-libya-ambassador

[seekthetruth]

IMO Petraus has no honor and has been a good boy for Obama. Remember Petraus “first” went along with the “video story line” and only later stated the talking points were “useless”. After that we learn about Petraus’ affair?

[DuncanWaring]

On closer reading, Article I Section 7 says “Every Bill ... shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President...”.

If there was no president, the bills cannot be presented to the president, therefore they all are stillborn.

[bgill]

Unfortunately on September 11 the MEU was in the Gulf of Aden training in Djibouti, well over 1,000 miles away.

Who's decision was that? Seems to me with another anniversay of 9/11 on the horizon, they be on duty instead of off training somewhere.