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Is the saying "Energy cannot be created nor destroyed" proof of God?
4/2/13 | grandjedimasteryoda

Posted on 05/02/2013 1:30:00 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda

Sorry for posting this, but I love the minds that are on Freep and would be very curious to see what some of the answers would be. I am far from being a physicist, but I do know the saying "Energy cannot be created nor destroyed". If this is so, then wouldn't it mean that energy is infinite? And if so, wouldn't this be proof of God? And 2nd, wouldn't it mean that there is no such thing as death or "real death"? Because if this energy is infinite, then eventually it will form into you again?


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1 posted on 05/02/2013 1:30:00 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Do you consider nuclear actions that convert mass to energy, creating energy?


2 posted on 05/02/2013 1:31:54 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

This has always been my understanding. The concept of the ‘soul’, while not observable directly, is something thats effects are seen and then not seen upon death. Where does this energy go? Well, in my belief, to Heaven.

The fact is, everything cannot come from nothing. God indeed shaped out universe. You need only look out the window to see intelligent design in every blade of grass.


3 posted on 05/02/2013 1:33:22 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: thackney

Emc2, buddy


4 posted on 05/02/2013 1:34:04 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Still need proof of GOD?
Look around, check the Bible, find Jesus.


5 posted on 05/02/2013 1:35:06 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (FReeeeepeesssssed)
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To: thackney

I don’t know, but I see what you are saying. If that happens then the saying “Energy cannot be created...” to be false.


6 posted on 05/02/2013 1:35:43 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Leo Carpathian

To me the fact that *anything* exists is proof enough to me that God exists, but what I am trying to do here is shut up the Atheists with fact.


7 posted on 05/02/2013 1:38:29 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Nuclear reactions convert mass to energy, they don’t create energy out of nothing.


8 posted on 05/02/2013 1:38:43 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Remember the second part is “it just changes state”. Matter is energy, energy is matter, you can convert one to the other but nothing gets created. And no there’s still real death, as your life energy changes state to inert matter and eventually worm food.


9 posted on 05/02/2013 1:42:04 PM PDT by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: thackney

I thought that mass has energy only in a different state, like it’s potential energy waiting to be released.


10 posted on 05/02/2013 1:42:09 PM PDT by virgil
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
If that happens

It happens. Nuclear explosions.

E=MC2

A little mass is a lot of energy.

http://www.chem.purdue.edu/gchelp/howtosolveit/Nuclear/nuclear_binding_energy.htm

11 posted on 05/02/2013 1:44:33 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
I think that we can convert many things, and we can change many things, and we can assemble many things...but creation belongs uniquely to God.

We don't know how He did it. Perhaps he converted a vast energy supply into matter. However He did it, I believe that He did it.

12 posted on 05/02/2013 1:45:11 PM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: virgil

http://www.chem.purdue.edu/gchelp/howtosolveit/Nuclear/Energy_of_Nuclear_Change.htm


13 posted on 05/02/2013 1:46:07 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

No. It is a statement of physics, not a proof of God.


14 posted on 05/02/2013 1:48:05 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: virgil

Exactly my thought! Mass is a different state of energy, energy congealed or whatever form they call it. Einstein said this: “Energy cannot be created nor destroyed”...Of so, then that means it ALWAYS existed. And we know mass comes from energy. If that is the case, then there is no such thing as death. How can there be? If you take infinity into the equation, eventually that energy will form into you again. The monkeys banging on a typewriter will eventually write Shakespeare.


15 posted on 05/02/2013 1:49:25 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

One episode of “The Universe” on the history channel deals with God vs Random creation and its a very interesting to hear the astrophysicists on both sides talk about it.

On one side you have Hawking and the rest of the angry atheist crowd saying it just happened. I got the impression they’re angry at the fact that they’re left with two answers. It happened for no reason that we can explain or it happened because God wanted it to happen.

On the other side are those astrophysicist/mathematicians who lean strongly in favor of some kind of intelligent design. One says that the odds were stacked so far against the formation of the universe that its literally impossible without some kind of intelligent design. Basically one subatomic particle out of place at the moment of creation and the universe wouldn’t exist.


16 posted on 05/02/2013 1:50:35 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

The Law of the Conservation of Energy. Energy cannot be created or destroyed; it can only be changed from one form to another. God created the heavens and the earth ex nihilo (i.e., out of nothing). Of course everyone them naturally says “where did God come from.” Scripture has an answer for that. In Exodus 3:14 moses asks god “who shall I say sent me?” God replies I am that I am. God is the eternal creator, the “unmoved mover” of Aristotle.


17 posted on 05/02/2013 1:54:18 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

If you wish to quantify the infinite then yes - the first law is the essence of God. All encompassing and eternal - every that was, is or shall be is derived from the “energy” that is God. All matter is energy on loan that must eventually return to whence it came. So yes, Virginia, there is a God - and what a great god He is.


18 posted on 05/02/2013 1:54:35 PM PDT by FormerRep
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To: discostu
And no there’s still real death, as your life energy changes state to inert matter and eventually worm food.

Not necessarily, think of your brain as a cell phone or WI-FI sending out wireless brain waves to God and being recorded in His laptop.

19 posted on 05/02/2013 1:54:49 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: thackney

Is the process to which you speak creating energy, or converting energy?


20 posted on 05/02/2013 2:00:21 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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