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Time to Buy a Dishwasher and Boy Have They Changed! EPA ruins dishwasher tech
4.28.13 | chickensoup

Posted on 04/28/2013 5:06:58 PM PDT by Chickensoup

It is time for a dishwasher. My last dishwasher was replaced three times by the manufacturer before I ripped it out and started handwashing. time to go back to dishwashers and I cannot find a timed dishwasher, just ones that are ENERGY EFFIEICENT with sensors.

The biggest problem I had with the newer untimed dishwashers is that I would have to rinse the dishes instead of scraping them.

the second problem is that because I did not rinse them, they ran for six to eight hours becaus there was debris that the sensors picked up.

Lousy design.

I am looking for a good dishwasher, that can actually be effective and clean the dishes now that the EPA doesnt permit us to have phosphates. Or timed washes.

Any war stories? Most of the dishwasher reviews out there aree actually paid ad reviews placed by an agent of the manufacturer.

Forget consomer reports.


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: allisvanity; appliances; chat; dishwasher; dishwashers; epaoutofcontrol; guncontrol; notnews; secondamendment; vanity
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To: catnipman
Real STP can damage your washer

Because it's meant to be put in your crankcase.

221 posted on 04/28/2013 9:52:33 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (HEY RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: Chickensoup
There must be a heaven for good old appliances.

Yep. No doubt that's where all the non-computerized wall ovens now reside.

222 posted on 04/28/2013 10:20:25 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: acapesket

Why are you being such a prick to someone that is simply trying to help you out?

You responded to my post.

Good luck with that Whirlpool made POS though.


223 posted on 04/28/2013 10:56:28 PM PDT by Reaganez
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To: Chickensoup; JRandomFreeper
field expedient J-Pole 2meter/440MHz antenna ________________________ what for?

Because he wanted to hit the repeater and didn't want to spend the money for a commercial antenna. Myself I stay on the HF bands and have homemade dipoles and long wires hanging off of the trees. Nope, I am not married at this time.

224 posted on 04/29/2013 12:53:10 AM PDT by calex59
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To: carriage_hill

I use gell-packs, but mine are generic versions of “Cascade” or “Finish”! You can get them at Kroger’s or (Smith’s) here in UT. You can get a pack of 20 for at the most $3.00, or less when it’s on sale. As you said, dishes and glasses turn out clean and shining! The gell-packs have a rinse agent in them. Since I started using them, they’ve been wonderful and don’t cost as much as the name brand!


225 posted on 04/29/2013 1:02:20 AM PDT by dsutah
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To: Chickensoup
Janitorial cleaning supply companies sell the real detergent at about $9.00 a box.
The junk they sell in the stores is worthless and ruins all clear glass dinnerware, period.

All the Dishwashers still have the disposal blades in the bottom to chop up
food into small enough particles to drain, but, if your detergent is junk
you could have problems with the plumbing later.

Bosch is the best for the price and the prices have dropped as the brand
becomes more popular due to the dependability and sound levels.

226 posted on 04/29/2013 1:06:22 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: MaxMax
Another vote for Bosch, ours is extremely quiet. Bosch doesn't use a heater element for drying so you need to use use Jet drying agent or after the cycle ends you can slightly open the door which helps the drying process.
227 posted on 04/29/2013 3:27:22 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: SkyDancer

I use the bottom rack of a previous dishwasher as a drainer.
Works beautifully and holds a lot.


228 posted on 04/29/2013 5:20:30 AM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: reformedliberal

Roller electric and non electric washing machines are available at lehmans. Just like the old days.


229 posted on 04/29/2013 5:23:34 AM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: leapfrog0202

Thank you!


230 posted on 04/29/2013 5:25:05 AM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: DuncanWaring

“I recycle all my water;”
Ha. I make my own water out of hydrogen I recycle from old newspapers and kite string.


231 posted on 04/29/2013 5:25:37 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: Chickensoup
The biggest appliance related mistake we ever made was replacing an excellent 18 year old dishwasher whose racks had rusted. Replacing the racks was going to cost more than a new dishwasher, so we looked at Consumer Reports and bought the most highly recommended dishwasher under $1000 - a Whirpool Gold. Biggest piece of crap I ever purchased in my life.

Our water bill actually went up because not only did we have to really rinse our dishes before we put them in, we also had to (per manual instructions!) let the water from the kitchen sink run hot and then run the dishwasher. I'm not kidding, that is what the manual actually said to do if your dishes weren't being cleaned. We tried TSP. We tried commercial strength Cascade. We tried vinegar, more soap, less soap, you name it. The dishwasher was a dog.

So, after a year of living with that crappy dishwasher, I really researched and asked everyone for recommendations. The ONLY name we came back with consistently was Miele. People who, like us went from a cheap but excellent dishwasher to a pricey but lousy one, and then capitulated and bought a really expensive one, liked their Bosches but they LOVED their Mieles. It cost us a little over $2000, but to us was worth every penny. Unlike our old trusty Kenmore, we do have to scrape the dishes, but we no longer have to rinse them or let the water run hot before using it. The biggest drawback to a Miele is the silverware has to be individually placed in a tray. We quickly got used to this and it hasn't been a problem.

Just like the new washing machines, the new dishwashers take a lot longer to run. We run ours on pots and pans which seems to be the fastest cycle - I suspect it's faster because it uses the most water.

232 posted on 04/29/2013 5:41:25 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: Proud2BeRight

You can buy the old Cascade from Restockit.com. The stuff with the phosphates is still available for purchase. You do have to buy it in bulk.


233 posted on 04/29/2013 5:43:07 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: Chickensoup

Plug the dryer into a timer.


234 posted on 04/29/2013 5:50:15 AM PDT by csmusaret (America is more divided today , not because of the problems we face but because of Obama's solutions)
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To: Chickensoup

You’re welcome.


235 posted on 04/29/2013 5:54:04 AM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: old and tired

thanks


236 posted on 04/29/2013 6:47:07 AM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: DAC21
Another vote for Bosch, ours is extremely quiet.

Ditto for the Bosch and I get real detergent at GFS.

237 posted on 04/29/2013 6:50:56 AM PDT by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: reformedliberal

I found that if I open the little drawer where you put the soap I can add more water until I actually SEE water in the tub

Otherwise the close just get kind of damp.

It usually takes me about 5 minutes of sitting there until I see enough water. Too much and it shuts off and drains itself.

But if I add about 10 gallons to the wash cycle it helps A LOT


238 posted on 04/29/2013 7:10:30 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: old and tired

I guess I never looked at a Miele, but that price tag would have turned me off. The Boschs seem to be running second-best to Miele, but you can get a good one on sale for $600.


239 posted on 04/29/2013 7:31:33 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: IamConservative

Does the bosch run for a long time folks?


240 posted on 04/29/2013 7:36:53 AM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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