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America's engine of the future to get 'Made in China' label
foxnews.com ^ | April 24, 2013 | Jeffrey Jablansky

Posted on 04/24/2013 4:45:56 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty

Thanks to generous support from a foreign backer, there is renewed hope for an American attempt to revolutionize, modernize and sanitize the automobile engine.

The catch? The finished product will be stamped “Made in China.”

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: outsourcing; uaw
The only comments I can think of about this would get me thrown out of Church.
1 posted on 04/24/2013 4:45:56 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty
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To: TwelveOfTwenty; All

I suspect the US auto industry and the US oil interests have kept the best innovations out of our cars. China has greater motivation for efficiency.


2 posted on 04/24/2013 4:57:54 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

When the market and economy crashed in 08, the new mantra and buzz phrase was all about the “Green Shoots”.

They simply failed to say those shoots are “Bamboo”.


3 posted on 04/24/2013 5:02:31 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
I understand a new model of Chinese-made vehicle is going to be introduced in the U.S. by 2016. It's going to be cleaner, more fuel-efficient, and cheaper to maintain than anything on the road in the U.S. today.

It's called a rickshaw.

4 posted on 04/24/2013 5:04:59 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Opposed-piston technology is not new. It is decades old.

Maybe opposed-piston, double-acting would be even more efficient.


5 posted on 04/24/2013 5:19:07 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: Alberta's Child

sign up for driver education at the senñor center.....


6 posted on 04/24/2013 5:21:41 PM PDT by ptsal (E)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

I run some two strokes that have a 8 1/2 inch bore, they run 24 hours 7 days a week.


7 posted on 04/24/2013 5:26:13 PM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: gleeaikin
I suspect the US auto industry and the US oil interests have kept the best innovations out of our cars.

No, as one Engineer on a vaulted high profile project noted to me, we don't give money to these guys to fail, we give it to them to succeed. Ergo look at all the money thrown at Ballard Power Systems Fuel Cells and the Big three have nothing to show for it.

Also, I followed a specific techology for years, I mean like 20 years. I finally got to me some guys that tested it eons ago and I got to ask Why didn't the big three go for it? It was not do it it's performance it was good, but possibly not worth the extra price and their was packaging contraints that killed it.

Other killers are real reliability. So much more to going from a Proto in the Science Magazines to serial rate production with real world Six Sigma ( now ) reliability.

8 posted on 04/24/2013 5:29:41 PM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
BTW....

This is the Engine Bill Gates threw a lot of money at.

Horizontally Opposed Engines that are 2 cylinders have to deal with a rocking/coupling motion that can kill power, especially if their is a center bearing between the throws, this one doesn't have it, which is good from that standpoint. However, I am not an engineer, but stayed at a holiday in express last night and from what I know about "Rod Ratio" ( google it in regards to Connecting Rods) with those outer long rods, this engine scares the hell out of me...

9 posted on 04/24/2013 5:33:11 PM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
That's not the engine of the future. It still has pistons.

This was in the news a couple of years ago. It seems far more revolutionary than the engine in the article you posted. No pistons. No need for a transmission. Dramatically lower fuel consumption and weight for the given output power.

At the time it seemed like it was going to change everything in a few years. But googling, it now, there doesn't seem to be any new information. So hopefully Prof. Müller and/or his engine didn't end up in China as well. (I noticed that his Michigan state website is totally out of date.)

10 posted on 04/24/2013 5:37:14 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
BTW I have been following this Inventor Engine arena for years and have met a couple of them...

The real clever ones IMHO ( Google them ) ?

* The Erickson Engine, I really like this one...
* Mark Beierle's 2 stroke Rad-Cam.
* The Carlson and Lowe Barrel Type Engine with an internal air slinger and injectors and plugs within the pistons. ( patent applied for in 2011, 2 inventors out of Michigan )
* I don't know why but a little engine that ran in Canada, a 2 stroke called "The James Engine"..

11 posted on 04/24/2013 5:45:26 PM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: gleeaikin
I suspect the US auto industry and the US oil interests have kept the best innovations out of our cars.

Of course they have. Why, Exhibit A is the 100 mpg carburetor, whisked off to oblivion.

Or was it the 100 mph carburetor?

Ah, small difference anyway.

/sarc and :)

12 posted on 04/24/2013 5:50:51 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: Ole Okie
I suspect the US auto industry and the US oil interests have kept the best innovations out of our cars.

Well, they certainly have put plenty of worthless crap in them, like ABS and TPMS etc.

>> Exhibit A is the 100 mpg carburetor <<

What's a carburetor?

13 posted on 04/24/2013 5:55:41 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (HEY RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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I bet a combined opposed piston engine (ref the Junkers Jumo) modified to six strokes (the 5th is compression and then water injection at TDC and the 6th is a steam power stroke) would beat this wave turbine engine in every respect.


14 posted on 04/24/2013 5:57:00 PM PDT by RHS Jr (Pity the banksters when Jesus comes)
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20yrs or so ago, a motor-head friend I knew added water injection to his car.

He swore it increased his mpg dramatically. I saw it. It was real. And these guys were auto mechanics, so they knew engines.


15 posted on 04/24/2013 7:03:40 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (0bama is a POS, with all due respect to excrement.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
A reciprocating piston engine by its very nature is not efficient since it ultimately converts linear motion into circular motion. Applying the energy tangentially to a rotor would make much better use of it, but there has been little work done on developing true rotary designs (the Wankel being the exception, and an eccentric rotary to boot).

The constant acceleration/deceleration and opposing forces within a piston engine means that a lot of its energy is expended fighting itself.

Plus, the greatest torque applied by the descending piston on the power cycle comes at the very bottom of the stroke, when the piston has nowhere to go but back up the cylinder. At top dead, when it fires, there is almost no offset on the rod, so the torque is nearly zero.

Of course, all that can be adjusted by valve and ignition timing, but in the end, you've still got a machine that has to reverse itself thousands of times a minute.

16 posted on 04/24/2013 7:19:52 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: gleeaikin

I suspect the US auto industry and the US oil interests have kept the best innovations out of our cars.
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I’ve told this story a few times because it needs to be remembered ... in the early 1970’s when emissions were becoming important to engineers and the EPA we had GM/Ford/MoPar all complain and moan that the 1975 standards would be IMPOSSIBLE to meet... their “solution” was leaned out a/f ratios , and changing cam timing on existing engines ... not a BIT of innovation ...

HONDA , new to automobiles took a 1973 Caprice 350sb/4bbl/turbo350 car and developed a new set of 4v heads for it ... took the power and fuel economy up about 50% (200+hp and 20+mpg) and passed 1975 emissions without a catalyst and with great drivability ,,, they gave it as a gift to GM ,, EXPECTING PRAISE AND A THANK YOU ... you can find references to this in period copies of Car and Driver (or maybe Motor Trend) ,, and maybe a reference or two on the internet (last I checked a few years ago)

The bottom line is that Detroit could have advanced much farther and faster than they did ... they had things like high pressure fuel injection in the 1950’s (which is now used in direct injection systems) ... they STILL don’t build a car with systems integration like the Europeans ,, their only claim to fame is CHEAPNESS and LARGE SIZE...


17 posted on 04/24/2013 7:31:18 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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Found one reference .. Hemmings Motor News ... The data I reported came from an enthusiast magazine ,, doesn’t match what the EPA tested the car at ... http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/tag/small-block-chevy-v-8/


18 posted on 04/24/2013 7:42:24 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: Neidermeyer

Seems the bad EPA comparison for power was due to a stuck/sunk carb float ... http://www.carsandracingstuff.com/library/reports/402.pdf so the Car and Driver numbers are probably more accurate. Even with a bad carb issue the car made 10% more mpg and passed 1975 emissions... Chrysler licensed the CVCC technology and incorporated it in that bastardization of the concept in their “lean burn” engines. Ford licensed the tech also but did not use it.


19 posted on 04/24/2013 7:47:34 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

My 23 year old NA 1.6L diesel VW with 315k on the OD... still gets 40MPG... and I can still get parts for it... and wrench on it myself... Good luck with your Moo Goo Gai Oil Pan motor, fellas.


20 posted on 04/24/2013 10:07:10 PM PDT by Rodamala
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