A Response to Bill O'Reilly on Homosexuality and Marriage

Cybercast News Agency ^ | 4/19/2013 | Rev. Marcel Guarnizo

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

Here’s another one, short and simple:

Single people subsidize all benefits given to married people, to promote having and raising the next generation, which also indirectly then benefits single people.

Homosexual couples are not presumed to contribute to the next generation and therefore have no right to make the same benefit demands on single people or dilute benefits given to heterosexual couples.

Single people should rise up and say ‘We will not pay!’

Heterosexual couples should say ‘We will not take from our children for barren homosexual pleasure.’

Pure economics, justice and logic without a single Bible thump.

[McBuff]

. . .his April 3 nationally televised tussle with conservative talk show host Laura Ingraham reveals, his attitude on this matter is also intellectually superficial.

O'Reilly doesn't posses the intellect to be intellectually anything. ..superficial or otherwise.

[sodpoodle]

Best Military Quote:

“When I joined the military it was illegal to be homosexual. Then it became optional. And now it’s legal. I’m getting out before Obama makes it mandatory.”

GySgt Harry Berres, USMC

(email received this a.m.)

[flaglady47]

Excellent article; a must read, even though it’s a slow slog through it, and one must put on one’s thinking cap. This priest has written an intellectual masterpiece. His logic in undeniable.

[Psycho_Bunny]

“Homosexual tendencies are not normal.

Note that there is no ethical implication in this claim. No one is saying that people with homosexual tendencies are undesirable or evil. “

This is the fundamental driving force of the entire LGBT movement, and why you cannot concede and inch to them. Generally, as individuals, LGBT people are either afraid, or out and out terrified there is “something wrong with them”.

And rather than learn to accept they’re broken in some way, they strive to mold the world to align with their flaw...and they’re insane about it. I mean, they go ballistic like they caught you about to rape their child.

I made the mistake once of saying to a group of trans, “I’m not going to allow a delusion created by a mental defect to guide my life” and...holy crap...I literally ended up wondering if I was going to be punched. It was like kicking over an ant hill.

The trouble is that the defect isn’t visible to them, and they don’t have the mental wherewithal to deal with problems that are completely virtual. Which is understandable: very few people are able to effortlessly handle non-corporeal flaws. I certainly can’t.

But with the LGBT activists, that inability to deal with - and accept - reality has become a feedback loop that drives their actions and they have no way to stop it. They have to be stopped.

[HerrBlucher]

Agreed, but the homosexual marriage issue is not going to be decided on reason, only emotion. Its going to happen, then its going to fail miserably in a spectacular way, and then emotion will swing the pendulum back the other way and homosexuals are going to wish they never brought it up in the first place and had stopped at “leave us alone.”

Fools!

[driftless2]

Well, that's the whole problem isn't it. There are still people like us who regard homosexuality as a mental disorder and would like to see it cured rather than approved. The whole narrative of the left and its enablers is that homosexuality is the same as heterosexuality as far as being a normal behavior. If that were the case, how many heteros want their children to be homos? I'd say ZERO!

A number of medical experts believe homosexuality is created in the womb by excessive hormones. Meaning it's a medical condition that could possibly be cured. If cured, that's the end of homosexuality in large part. Let's hope for a cure.

[Yosemitest]

Until we OBEY god, we will wax worse and worse.
We musty OBEY God!

Those who support homosexuals are against our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
These anti Christ people only bring destruction on us ALL.
I have NO sympathy for homosexuals!

Homosexuality is a "Mark" of disobedience.

It was given by our Heavenly Father to test us
to see ... if we will OBEY our Heavenly Father,
and abide by His commandments, statues, and ordinances.

Someone once asked

"Why are they [homosexuals] all so angry?"

The answer is in the definition of "REPROBATE".

rep·ro·bate \ˈre-prə-ˌbāt\ a. [L. reprobatus, reprobo, to disallow; re and probo, to prove.]

1. Not enduring proof or trial; not of standard purity or fineness; disallowed; rejected.


Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord hath rejected them. Jer. 6.




2. Abandoned in sin; lost to virtue or grace.

They profess that they know God, but in works deny him, being abominable and disobedient, and to every good work reprobate. Titus 1.

3. Abandoned to error, or in apostasy. 2Tim. 3.

And the reason"why" is given in the Bible.

God has a cure for homosexuals.

But will we OBEY our Heavenly Father?

[heye2monn]

I used to like Bill O’Reilly. He was an eloquent former entertainment reporter who saw the conservative light. I was disappointed when Rush Limbaugh mocked him as a “Ted Baxter” — a pompous windbag.

But by slamming “Bible-thumpers,” O’Reilly reverted to his airhead reporter days. Rush was right about him.

[hondact200]

O’Reilley is O’Irelevant. Fox News to get rid of him before it loses the viewership and becomes just another CNN.

[Elsie]

Lots of words there, so a few more (and pitchers; too!) can't hurt...

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Genesis 13:13

Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

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2 Peter 2

1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

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But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

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If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
 

 

 

 

 

[Elsie]

No one is saying that people with homosexual tendencies are undesirable or evil

Maybe not; but ACTIONS sure catch hell!

[Elsie]

There are still people like us who regard homosexuality as a mental disorder and would like to see it cured rather than approved.

There are still people like ME who regard homosexuality as a SIN and would like to see it's practitioners repent and go the RIGHT direction.

[Vaduz]

Homosexuality is a sex issue not a love issue special treatment to ensue.

[ROCKLOBSTER]

No one is saying that people with homosexual tendencies are undesirable or evil.

OK: People with homosexual tendencies are undesirable or evil.

[driftless2]

I still watch O’Reilly occasionally, but take him with a grain of salt like all talking heads. He’s not exactly a deep-thinker.

[theBuckwheat]

The State attempts to force us to recognize its power. One way is to presume the power to define who is married and who is not. We cede this power in part because we allow the State to tax incomes and estates. To administer such taxing power, the State must define who it considers to be “married” and who is not. Just as when it defines a corporation to be a “person”, as silly as this would be to God, the State does not hesitate to define anyone it pleases as being “married”, totally apart from how God would define them. Sadly, even ministers allow the State’s definition of marriage to be the controlling definition.

Jesus is quoted in Matthew chapter 19 that from the beginning of humanity, it was God’s intent that marriage would only be one man and one woman. Scripture in many ways and places also tells us that God defines sexual morality and that people who refuse to practice that His morality simply do not qualify for His freely given gift of eternal life. (for example, see Ephesians chapter 5). Of course, people are free to believe whatever they want, but that does not change what God clearly said to us.

If you review the arguments advanced by supporters of same-sex marriage (like at HRC.ORG), you will find that many of them are related to taxation, inheritance and medical issues, all issues controlled by the State. But existing law addresses those and any defects in the law can be easily repaired apart from the issue of “marriage”.

I don’t want a government that can tell me what I may or may not do in the privacy of my own home or relationships. In a secular Constitutional Republic with a provision that prohibits Congress from making any law respecting religion, I have to allow others to have their own beliefs and morality. I can only be an advocate for the morality and beliefs that I think are true. I take my understanding of sexual morality from Scripture and that is where I learn that God considers sodomy to be an abomination to Him.

If a State decides that two (or more) people can marry, if that is all that happened, I could live with that because I don’t have to approve, change my beliefs or what beliefs I pass on to my children.

Once gays and their supporters have sufficient influence with a State to redefine marriage, they don’t stop there. They use the State to forbid me from acting on my morality and beliefs. In fact, the State in some cases forces me to accommodation in their practices.

If I have children in public school, the State will insist on teaching them that gay marriage is just as normal as God’s definition of marriage. You will be sanctioned as a parent if you attempt to remove your children from such indoctrination. As long as they are enrolled in government-controlled schools, they will be graded on how well they accept the State’s idea of normal, or refuse to reject God’s idea of normal.

If you run a business that could provide services to the public, you will be sanctioned if you decline to treat gays as non-gays. For example, if you run a wedding photography business, you will be sanctioned if you decline to photograph a gay wedding. This has already happened in California and New Mexico [1].

You may lose control of your own property. [2]

You might have to go out of business to stay true to your principles, so as to avoid being fined or sued into bankruptcy. [3,4,6]

From an article:

“Wedding vendors elsewhere who refused to accommodate same-sex couples have faced discrimination lawsuits — and lost. Legal experts said Discover Annapolis Tours sidesteps legal trouble by avoiding all weddings.

“If they’re providing services to the public, they can’t discriminate who they provide their services to,” said Glendora Hughes, general counsel for the Maryland Commission on Civil Rights. The commission enforces public accommodation laws that prohibit businesses from discriminating on the basis of race, sexual orientation and other characteristics.”

To advance the legal case that a marriage between two people of the same sex is no different than a marriage as God defines it, the US Justice Department will base their arguments before the Supreme Court that a child does not need, nor have a right to a mother. [5]

In short, gays will demand that non-gays accept them as moral equals, which they are not and cannot be. When the State says they are equal it is forbidden for a private citizen to dissent from that status. In doing so, they seek to force me to give them approval for something that I will never approve of. It is that last point that galls gays the most.

Curiously, when advocates of gay marriage are asked if their policy also would allow polygamy or polyandry, they recoil in horror and insist that it does not. However, logic demands that it does. I would ask how same-sex parents are going to react in the future when, for example, Utah public schools officials require that teachers instruct the children that LDS-related polygamy is just as “normal” as same-sex “marriage”. The fact that this will be an issue will show yet again that gay “marriage” is not about marriage at all it is about forcing the rest of us to approve of repugnant sexual immorality, something that LDS polygamists never demanded.

After same-sex marriage causes polygamy to be recognized polyandry won’t be far behind. Brave new world!

[1] Refusing To Shoot Gay Marriage Is Discrimination, Says New Mexico Appeals Court
http://tinyurl.com/covv9by

[2] Judge Rules Christian facility cannot ban same-sex civil union ceremony on its own premises
http://tinyurl.com/7gcpeh9

[3] Opposed to same-sex marriage, company ends wedding business
Trolley owner says move made to avoid potential lawsuit
http://tinyurl.com/bwp2bvj

[4] Baker refuses to make wedding cake for lesbian couple and ‘calls them abominations unto the Lord’

Aaron Klein, owner of Sweet Cakes in Gresham, Oregon is the subject of a state investigation after one of the brides-to-be filed a complaint

link:
http://tinyurl.com/a482bpf

[5] DOJ: Children Do Not Need—and Have No Right to—Mothers March 3, 2013 By Terence P. Jeffrey
http://tinyurl.com/blcyj9u

[6] [Washington State] AG sues florist who refused flowers to gay wedding
http://tinyurl.com/bv25bjw

[PLD]

Nothing matters with these freaks except what God thinks..

Hollywood has propagated the myth that when it comes to marriage “all you need is love.” This is simply not true. Marriage is not based on emotion any more than any other partnership in life is. Marriage, like many human activities, involves emotion but it is not constituted by the presence of any particular set of emotions. I do not deny that many homosexuals feel deeply for their partners; however I do assert that no matter how deep the feelings, what they have is not a marriage in God’s sight. It is a beautiful deception.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-f018.html

[Psycho_Bunny]

.....ok....Just to be clear...It was quoting the author. lol

(Hey! My grandmother’s name was Elsie....It’s been a while since I’ve seen that name.)