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Women’s expectations of the opposite sex are at least as unrealistic as men’s
The Economist ^ | April 13, 2013 (Back to the future!) | The Economist

Posted on 04/12/2013 3:42:47 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

MEN have long wondered what exactly it is that women want. Some pore over men’s magazines, with their promises of “washboard abs”, for guidance. The more scientifically minded look for experimental data. The latest evidence comes from a group of researchers led by Brian Mautz, then of Australian National University. They gathered 105 heterosexual Australian women and showed them a series of digitally generated pictures of men in which three bodily characteristics were varied—height, shoulder-to-waist ratio and flaccid penis size. The women were asked to rate the men as sexual partners.

In an article just published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Dr Mautz and his team describe their results. Happily for the insecure, although the women did indeed find a larger penis alluring, it was not the most important factor. That honour went to the combination of broad shoulders and a narrow waist, which accounted for around three-quarters of the variation in attractiveness all by itself. Height was also only a weak predictor of appeal. That is odd, says Dr Mautz, because other studies have linked height with all sorts of benefits, from higher salaries to longer lives. The bigger-is-better effect was also subject to diminishing returns: each extra centimetre, whether of height, shoulder width or penis size, was less significant than the previous one.

Nonetheless, even the tallest, broadest-shouldered and best-endowed digital hunks that the researchers generated fell short of perfection. “The optimum values appear to lie outside the tested range,” they note, adding that the “maxima are more than two standard deviations from the population mean for each trait.” That means that, for each trait, fewer than 2.5% of the men whom women encounter in the real world will be as generously proportioned as they might hope. Men with perfect scores in all three traits will be rarer than hen’s teeth.

The study is not perfect. There was no danger of the women mistaking the digital men for the real thing. Other factors—such as social status, for instance—may, in the real world, override the physical preferences that the researchers were measuring. And it is hard, when all the subjects come from a single country, to disentangle the effects of nurture from those of nature. It is commonly pointed out, for instance, that men’s apparent preference for slim women seems to be a relatively modern (and Western) construction. Erotica from the turn of the 19th century tend to feature much curvier women than their modern equivalent. Women’s preferences may be just as influenced by the culture in which they grow up.

On the other hand, it is a rule of thumb in biology that females (of any species) are much pickier than males. There are good evolutionary reasons why that is so. Even in humans, who share the burden of child-rearing more equally than many animals, having children requires far more of an investment of resources from a female than it does from a male—after all, it is the woman who must endure nine months of pregnancy and then breast-feed the baby. Women therefore face stronger incentives to spend their relatively limited reproductive resources on only the most attractive men, whose children will be most likely to breed in turn. Back to the sit-ups, boys.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: attraction; men; reproduction; women
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To: Islander7
MEN have long wondered what exactly it is that women want. Most women don't know either.

And they certainly won't tell YOU.

One thing about many women today, is they would rather stay single than be with a man who does not impress their friends. In days past, this was much less of a viable choice.

21 posted on 04/12/2013 5:11:48 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Mamzelle

Old, but true:

“Women use sex to get love, men use love to get sex.”

“A woman marries a man hoping to change him. A man marries a woman hoping she’ll never change.”

And if I feel like having my head handed to me, I ask my wife: “If a man is standing in the forest and there is no woman nearby, is he still wrong?”

Followed by confronting myself in the mirror, “You are under arrest for believing women DO have a sense of humor!”

;^)


22 posted on 04/12/2013 5:16:37 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: elcid1970
If a culture makes it clear to an honest wife that she is loved for her appearance alone, don't be too surprised if she becomes neurotic and unfaithful and is constantly seeking a new way ($$) to be beautiful to someone who will provide her that reassurance...you are mistaking "love" for attention, but we are all of us mistaking love for something else.

Men are made loving what they see. It' a fatal flaw for long-term relationships. Women are never satisfied with the love they have because they are always insecure, since there is no such thing as eternal youth. All of this could be solved by learning to love what is inside of a person, their honor and virtue and faithfulness.

Porn has made this natural programming so much worse.

I am continually bemused at men who whine when they are abused after marrying a pretty whore...

23 posted on 04/12/2013 5:25:09 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: momtothree

“I read a thread yesterday about buying Russian brides. Slim hotties in high heeled boots. Then some wondered why people they knew who did this... were left high and dry as soon as she got her green card. LOL!!”

Have you seen the guys buying Russian brides? There’s a reason, probably several, actually, they have to buy Russian brides. Same reasons these brides dump them ASAP.


24 posted on 04/12/2013 5:29:57 AM PDT by henkster (I have one more cow than my neighbor. I am a kulak.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
This article begs for this oldie but goodie.

How to Spot a Rich Guy


25 posted on 04/12/2013 5:30:03 AM PDT by Flatus I. Maximus (Fight Third-World Despotism. Overthrow Obama.)
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To: Mamzelle

You just hit the 10 on a scale of 10 in diagnosing the male self inflated picture of themselves.


26 posted on 04/12/2013 5:31:32 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Islander7

Women want obedience. They want you to do what they want you to do, whatever it is at the moment. The fact that they do not know what they want you to do changes nothing. You are supposed to know without being told.


27 posted on 04/12/2013 5:36:31 AM PDT by Rifleman
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Study finds women have unrealistic expectations? I’m shocked Shocked, I say!


28 posted on 04/12/2013 5:42:42 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: lepton; tomkat

“Something’s wrong.”

There’s a button missing. The one that says...

“DO NOT, in any circumstance, under threat of losing life & liberty, never ever, PRESS THIS BUTTON!”


29 posted on 04/12/2013 5:44:11 AM PDT by moovova
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To: henkster

I have always thought that they lived in a fantasy world with their expectations of a wife. Slim, big ta tas, wears tight clothing and spike heels everywhere, keeps a perfect house, doesn’t express an opinion, doesn’t have her own needs expected to even be attempted to be met and all of this for a guy who lives in a condo. I’m not saying there is nothing wrong with a condo. What I am saying is that these women don’t look like this without a lot of money being spent on them. The hair, nails, clothing allowance must be HUGE. What they want is easy access to become a U.S. citizen so they can find someone who will earn enough for a lifestyle they expect to live in. I had to laugh at the thread yesterday because one of the purchased Russian brides wouldn’t go on camping trips with her husband. Gee, ya think? Pitching a tent in the woods with those clothes and nails? Ha, ha.


30 posted on 04/12/2013 5:47:02 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Mamzelle
Floor #1 A loving woman, girl-next-door type, your age.

I've got several friends who married girl-next-door types, who still cheated on them and divorced them. Conversely, just because a girl is cute does not mean she's evil inside. My niece had model-quality looks and figure (still does), and is a happily married wife and mother for many years.

What's inside is what's inside, and does not depend on the outside.

31 posted on 04/12/2013 5:48:52 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: elcid1970

I married a former speech and debate coach, now principal.

I not only lose every argument, but I get graded. If I don’t like that, it’s off to ISS for me!

:-D


32 posted on 04/12/2013 5:50:08 AM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: lepton

“Somethings wrong. All of those controls have markings.”

In the upper right hand corner is where the cooking knob used to be.


33 posted on 04/12/2013 6:04:51 AM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: Rifleman
Men designed the STOP sign. Bright red, capital letters, STOP.
If women had designed it it would say something like, "If you really loved and understood me you would know what it is that I want you to do right now."
34 posted on 04/12/2013 6:11:07 AM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: Mamzelle

Very true. It has occured to me, as a 27 year married woman who raised 3 kids that what was lacking from husbands was a lack of true appreciation for all the thankless jobs that their wives do. Considering all the time spent out of their lives doing these things it would go a long way to better marriages if men appreciated the hard work, compassion, selflessness that wives put in to provide a nice home and raise good children as much as they appreciate what they provide in the bedroom.


35 posted on 04/12/2013 6:11:55 AM PDT by annelizly
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To: Mamzelle
Its simple:
Men love what they see.

Women love what they think they should be seeing.
36 posted on 04/12/2013 6:22:23 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: DuncanWaring

+1


37 posted on 04/12/2013 6:24:13 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Peet

+2


38 posted on 04/12/2013 6:25:45 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Mamzelle

Didn’t see, on any of your floors, a woman who will respect her husband...


39 posted on 04/12/2013 6:27:32 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: DuncanWaring

I’m swiping that, but I’m going to change it somehow that the “husbands” on one of the higher floors are all gay.


40 posted on 04/12/2013 6:32:38 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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