The British have forgotten what true statesmen, who love their country, and are not afriad to tell it like it is. Or as Paul Skousen states in his excellent book "The Naked Socialist": The Cycle of Socialism: Posted on 03/27/2013 7:22:25 AM PDT by HogsBreath
SIR – The Archbishop of Canterbury and his bishops are doing their job when they show concern about child poverty. But where do they imagine that the money will come from to solve this problem? The country is effectively bust and, despite the efforts of the Government, is having to borrow ever more to enable us to continue to live beyond our means. Our current welfare costs are among those contributing to mounting debt that will blight the lives of our children and their children. Every pound that the taxpayer spends on services to the population makes it harder for the wealth-producing activities to function, and this puts us on a downward spiral to a Third World economy.
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The British have forgotten what true statesmen, who love their country, and are not afriad to tell it like it is. Or as Paul Skousen states in his excellent book "The Naked Socialist": The Cycle of Socialism: This is our future.
First we will become Britain.
Then we will become Italy.
Pray to God and apologize to your children for not being able to maintain the American Dream. We didn’t cause it, but we lost it on our watch and that makes me sick.
I apologize for my fellow American, Scotsman. I’m sorry we lost another young man yesterday in this mess. I know there are broken hearts because of it, and I pray they can find peace.
The US and UK have stood side by side for about a century now, and I’ve always been greatful for that.
1—You didnt save our rear ends in WW1, it was the British, Canadians and Aussies who threw back the last German counterattack, and it was the BRITISH who led the ‘Hundred Days Offensive’ in summer 1918 that drove Germany back to its borders. America didnt undertake a solo offensive until SEPTEMBER 1918, just two months before the end of the war.
You need to learn your 1918 history. The idea America won WW1 is laughable, you didnt turn up till 1917, and it was the BRITISH who took the brunt in 1918. If any single nation (and NO single nation did btw) ‘won’ that war, it was us. Not America.
2—WW2?. The speak the British dont speak German is because of the BRITISH. America helped Britain, but to suggest you saved us is yet another example of your pitiful grasp of history. Where’d you learn it?. John Wayne films?.
It was the British winning the Battle of Britain, it was Britain and its allies winning the Atlantic sea war, it was Britain and its allies winning in Africa, N Africa, Italy, Sicily and Europe.
Are you honestly telling me that Britain relied on the US to save it in WW2?. Relied on the US army, navy and airforce?. A nation (the UK) with a large army, the RAF, an Empire, and the world greatest navy had to rely on America?.
CANADA ‘saved’ Britain in WW2 just as much as America: they fought from 1939, they supplied us by sea, they gave us $6 BILLION in Mutual Aid (you didnt think only America did lend lease did you?). If any nation helped keep Britain alive, it was your neighbours to the north.
3-—Lend Lease?. I am glad you mentioned it. Are YOU aware of ‘reverse lend lease’?. No, I bet you arent. Between Jan 1942 and Sept 1945 (after LL to the UK had been stopped), Britain GAVE AMERICA £1.2 BILLION in arms and material, mostly to US forces in Britain, but also N Africa and Europe. BUT also British equipment that even ended up in the Pacific.
America also received $8-10 BILLION in RLL from Australia, New Zealand and the Soviet Union.
4—You ignore that BRITAIN also gave the Russians huge amounts of material in lend lease: tanks, artillery, even Spitfires. There was even an RAF squadron who served in WW2 with the Soviets. America gave the USSR huge amounts of Lend Lease, but so did Britain and even Canada.
‘By the way, since you are a Scotsman, why the hell are you sticking up for the English?? Remember Culloden??’
Thank you for proving my point that you are utterly clueless about Britain and British history.
1—Britain/the UK/Great Britain and England are NOT the same thing. Got that?. Britain/UK/GB is made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Nor is Scotland part of England.
That is why, as a Scotsman, I am BOTH Scottish and British.
2—Culloden?. You mean the famous battle which was NEVER a Scottish-English battle?. But was a battle between pro-Jacobite Highlanders and anti-Jacobite forces, which included Scottish, English, Irish, Welsh forces?. Even Highlanders opposed to the Jacobites. The front ranks of the redcoated British forces at Culloden were almost entirely Scottish regiments.
Both sides of my own family (one Highland, one Lowland) wore those red coats and fought AGAINST the Jacobites. And did so proudly.
And please let my ire directed at an American poster here not cloud the fact that I have a great affection for America, its people and its military. I just dont like ‘bad history’, especially where the UK is concerned.
Thank you for your kind post.
“1—Britain/the UK/Great Britain and England are NOT the same thing. Got that?. Britain/UK/GB is made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Nor is Scotland part of England.”
Got that. Hence my inquiry.
“That is why, as a Scotsman, I am BOTH Scottish and British.”
You’re British because the Brits forced themselves upon you, not once, but many times. Read about Edward Longshanks.
“Both sides of my own family (one Highland, one Lowland) wore those red coats and fought AGAINST the Jacobites. And did so proudly.”
And THAT explains EVERYTHING!!!! I support the Jacobites AGAINST the Hanoverian intruders!! I SEE what kind of Scotsman YOU are!!!
I was not aware so many Scots traitors supported those damn Hanoverians.
Give me as much time as you had to google the Net and I’ll pick up some facts to support my statements.
The war in WW1 WAS bogged down. The only reasons the Germans resumed submarine warfare was because they were fearful of American intervention.
As for WW2 - your people were pinned up in Britain while Hitler was running amoke everywhere else.
BY THE WAY,there may have been Aussies and New Zealand troops out in the Pacific but I DON’T RECALL any BRITISH units there.
Winston Chruchill was asked how many Americans he wanted to have sent to fight in Europe for Britain. He said just one - and he would be sure to put him where he was certain to be shot. He said that because he KNEW he needed us over there.
By the way, I DO know a very lot about British History. And the Briton of today isn’t one QUARTER the man of the Briton of yesteryear. (Unfortunately true of Americans also.)
“1—Britain/the UK/Great Britain and England are NOT the same thing. Got that?. Britain/UK/GB is made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Nor is Scotland part of England.”
Got that. Hence my inquiry.
“That is why, as a Scotsman, I am BOTH Scottish and British.”
You’re British because the Brits forced themselves upon you, not once, but many times. Read about Edward Longshanks.
“Both sides of my own family (one Highland, one Lowland) wore those red coats and fought AGAINST the Jacobites. And did so proudly.”
And THAT explains EVERYTHING!!!! I support the Jacobites AGAINST the Hanoverian intruders!! I SEE what kind of Scotsman YOU are!!!
I was not aware so many Scots traitors supported those damn Hanoverians.
1—The English never conquered Scotland.
Scotland JOINED the UK in 1707 BECAUSE the English invited Scotland in, due to their failure to conquer Scotland. From 1018 to 1640, the English invaded many times, but failed to permanently conquer Scotland.
Men like Longshanks saw their English armies driven out of Scotland. Sometimes it took weeks or months, sometimes it took a few years, but the English, like they failed to do with France, failed to conquer Scotland, as they did successfully with Wales and Ireland.
I know my own country’s history MUCH better than you. I dont need to read any history, I know it, much better than you ever will.
2—The Jacobites supported the reinstatement of a Catholic monarch, and the Stuart dynasty had caused one civil war in 1642, a Scottish protestant rebellion in the 1660’s, and another uprising in 1688 in England and Scotland.
They had been arrogant monarchs who believed in divine and absolute power (Charles I started two wars against Scotland and suspended Parliament because they wouldnt agree to his demands, all of this in just four years). Those opposed the Jacobites simply didnt want another Catholic king from the ‘James line’.
3—Your ignorance of history is astonishing. The Hanoverians sit on the British throne BECAUSE of their Scottish blood!.
The Hanoverians took the British throne in 1714 BECAUSE George I (’german georgie’) was the grandson of Princess Elizabeth of Hanover.
And she was SCOTTISH. In fact, she was the daughter of James VI of Scotland/James I of England and Ireland. In other words, she was a Stuart princess, and her descendants
The current Royal Family are not ‘German’ or ‘intruders’. They are the rightful lineage. A Scottish Protestant Stuart lineage.
Your knowledge of Scottish, English and British history is awful.
1—I am a MA in History, and a lifelong lover of history, I dont need to surf the net. I have actually studied, written and lectured on history.
2—Even if WW1 was bogged down as you say, the idea that the Americans turned the tide and even more farcically that they ‘won’ the war and ‘saved’ Britain is utter bilge.
It was the British Army who bore the brunt of the Kaiserschlact counteroffensive in Easter 1918 (being driven back 40 miles at one point before recovering), and it was the BRITISH army who bore the major brunt of the summer Allied offensive to drive German troops back to Germany’s borders.
America?. There were more Canadians and even Aussies fighting in Europe vs the Germans in 1918 than there were Americans. There were even large numbers of Indian troops. As well as French Algerian, British black caribbeans and black French africans.
American troops fought as partners to French attacks in the summer of 1918, they didnt undertake a solo major offensive
until St Mihiel in SEPTEMBER 1918.
And here is another fact (go check it): the American army in 1918 had no planes, no tanks and no heavy artillery. ALL their supplies of the above came from British and French supplies loaned to America. Even a superpatriotic US historian like Stephen Ambrose admitted this fact in his last book (of history essays).
3—Yes, the UK was on its own in 1940-41, but we saved ourselves by winning the Battle of Britain and starting to win the Atlantic sea war (a battle won primarily by the British and Canadian navies).
You are wrong though that we were helplessly pinned down: between June 1940 and Dec 7th 1941, Britain launched commando raids across Europe, founded the SOE, supported and armed resistance units, fought in Greece and the Aegean, fought in Crete. And in Africa, we mauled the Italians so badly Hitler and Rommel had to step in, which means we had to fight the Nazis and Italians at the same time.
We also battered the Italians in Ethiopia and Somaliland, shattered the Italian navy at Taranto, sunk major German battleships. As well as invading both Iran and Iraq to quell pro-Nazi uprisings.
All this alone in 15-18 months.
4—No, the British fought the Japanese in Burma, Hong Kong, Malaya and the other British eastern empire territories.
5—Yes, you HELPED us in 1917-18 and again in 1942-45 (even before). BUT you didnt ‘save’ us. Why Americans feel to need to boast that they did is annoying to most Brits (and other nations like the Canucks or Aussies or Kiwis). Its bad history and it is disrespectful to Britain and to the British, esp those British who died 1914-18 and 1939-45, as well as the other Commonwealth/Empire nations.
You helped us, and we are forever thankful. Be happy with helping and with the gratitude we have.
“You didnt save us in 1918 or 1942.”
If it weren’t for the American Merchant Marine and Lend/Lease you’d be speaking German right now.
Why do you still bother defending Britain on this site, Scotsman? Every Brit from CrazyIvan onwards (and perhaps before) works out that this is an anti-British board and moves on. And yet you keep fighting the good fight. Give it up. Just stick FreeRepublic in your bookmark folder alongside presstv, RT et al and move on.
If you think Britain relied on the US Merchant Marine, then your history is as bad as I fear.
Britain relied first and foremost on its own massive Merchant Marine, and then on its huge Canadian ally merchant marine, and then on the US. In other words, the US Merchant Marine was the third most important merchant marine to the UK. Not the first. By a long way.
And it was Britain and Canada who bore the brunt of the Atlantic battle (1940-43), and most of Britain’s supplies from North America were carried by the Royal Navy, the Canadian Royal Navy and by the huge British Merchant Marine and Canadian Merchant Marine.
I dont know at all where you get the idea the US Merchant Marine carried the heavy load.
You seem to know little about Britain and WW2. And the incredible and immense British contribution to the war. Or about the British armed forces and merchant marines. Or the Canadian contribution.
Lend Lease?.
You ARE aware that LL only started in March 1941, with the Lend Lease Act, and the first LL supplies started arriving here in late May/early June 41?. LONG past the battle of Britain, Dunkirk and the start of the Blitz.
You ARE aware that pre 1941, from Sept 1939, that Britain BOUGHT and paid for all its arms supplies from the US?, arent you?.
The ‘cash and carry’ method, where all the arms and supplies were carried by Royal Navy and Royal Canadian Navy ships as well as UK and Canadian merchant ships. NOT American ships. Great Britain paid upfront for all supplies before Lend Lease. In cash, gold, silver.
And if we are talking lend lease, are you aware of REVERSE LEND LEASE?.
No?.
That was the Lend Lease TO America from Britain, the USSR, Australia and New Zealand, from January 1942 to Sept 1945.
Britain GAVE America £1.2 BILLION in arms and supplies via RLL from Jan 42 to Sept 45.
Go find out about reverse lend lease, its been sadly forgotten in both the US and UK. As well as Russia and Australia and New Zealand.
ever thought why bother?
Maybe there is a diffeence in hostory but if I rememebr correctly Afghanistan, Iraq both times etc Britain has helped out Amercia, like you said another Brit died over there in Americas war, not that those little things are important to catch the news.
I’ve met many who seem to think Engliand is Britain and think to be an Irish American or Scot American then they have to hate the English which is certainly not true..
Good for you scot
er you might know that the UK has helped America in wars too, oh like Iraq and Afghanistan which another Brit died there today.
Also America did not come to the aid of the UK out of being nice, , America came into the war because of Pearl Harbor
he might be stating to you how the British came to help American because he is British,.
Scotland is Britain and so is Wales, so is N Ireland and yes Scotland.
As for Culloden, er how many hundreds of years ago was that again?
I’ve met a old American couple who think they;re Irish,their great grandfather came here and now think they;re Irish and to be even more Irish they think they have to hate the English.
Problem for those two idiots is that most irish like the English and vica versa.
Only in America does it have a few dumb thick idiots who can;t get that into their heads
The US and UK have stood side by side for about a century now, and I've always been grateful for that.
Expatriate Englishman here domiciled in Canada. I was going to leave this whole post well alone. I do have a Johnny Walker's Red Label to hand, and thought I might shed a little light on this subject.
I had worked in a Steel Plant and there were a large number of ex servicemen as my fellow workers. Now some of them made a bee line for me. I was only a conscript in 1950 though. They sneered at the "limeys" brewing tea while the hard men went and did the job.
A kindly old ex soldier took me aside. He said that the real hard men who fought so valiantly were the LEAST LIKELY to put down the British. I learned later that some of the second string soldiers who went in after the fighting, were the most likely to abuse the German prisoners. They had not fought themselves. They were Guards or holding battalions. They had to consolidate the areas now freed from the Wehrmacht. The real frontline soldiers were more likely to keep their mouths shut, when they returned to Canada.
I can only repeat the phrase from Will Shakespeare- "We band of brothers". I would like to hear from any real American soldier on this blog.
Anyway, I still remember my old grandad, a WW1 veteran in 1942. We never had any eggs, though we were told we had one each per week. He had some greaseproof packages. On the package was two hands shaking with each other. One had a Stars and Stripes on the cuff, the other had a Union Jack. It was reconstituted dried egg. He came in with a huge plate of the British favourite- scrambled eggs. We all cheered.
Some of us do not forget. We were in it together.
Can we aqree to disagree? We were bloody well almost on our knees because of food shortages via U-Boat action. We had only twenty percent internal productivity for food. Lots of fish though, if the U-Boats did not sink our lads unarmed as they were.
Neutral America sent us supplies and American lads died as the U-Boats sometimes torpedoed those ships. Once the mob aided by the rotten British communists, started to riot we would have been in dire straights. Cordially, cos I live through it.
Why I get ticked at the modern day Brits.
See:
http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/03/david-cameron-declares-war-on-the-edl/#more-27717
WHY do you keep electing these kinds of people????
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