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N.J. Mother Arrested, Guns Confiscated- By Attending Property Tax Dispute Forum
http://www.examiner.com/article/n-j-mother-arrested-guns-confiscated-by-attending-property-tax-dispute-forum ^

Posted on 03/11/2013 6:37:47 AM PDT by servo1969

Ms. Hart tried to explain, that Appraisal Systems, Inc. was attempting to inspect her property without her husband being present. As an Orthodox Jew, this is against the tenets of her religion. Her husband had to be present. According to Ms. Hart, she was unable to express this concern.

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When the Harts left the gathering, they were followed into the parking lot of the community center, and the same young man who had been so upset by Ms. Hart's comments in the community center, started screaming and shouting at her, took down the license plate number of her vehicle and said - "See if you are able to pay your property taxes NOW!"

Eileen didn't understand what that shouted threat meant, until she returned to her home with her family.

When they arrived, there were 5 police cars from the Franklinville Police Department. They advised her that the Clayton Police wanted to talk to her about the allegations.

**snip**

She was arrested and booked for "terroristic threats" and "contempt."

At the police station, she was handcuffed to a chair.

The cops ran a background check- and it revealed that she had absolutely NO criminal record. It also showed that she was the lawful owner of two hand guns. She was advised to turn in the guns over to the court (surrendered or confiscated) - and they would be held for "safe keeping." If she did not- she was told by the police- her bail would be VERY high. And- if she could not make the bail- she would sit in the county jail until an unknown date.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: banglist; confiscated; constitution; eileenhart; gun; guncontrol; jew; orthodox; secondamendment; tax
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To: AppyPappy

Where she lives it takes one wacka-doodle (who maybe has friends in the local PD) to make an extreme accusation (and lie his butt off) to get 5 police cars sent to her house. That’s what I think took place


21 posted on 03/11/2013 9:12:16 AM PDT by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: PapaBear3625

Assuming she is in the right she should sue the accuser and have him pay all lawyers fees than a bit moire. No way can or will the accuser remain anonymous, he precipitated serious stuff.

My guess is the accuser works in the public sector and knows a few police there. Lunatic lefty retired teachers abound in NJ, NY, PA...he might be one


22 posted on 03/11/2013 9:19:04 AM PDT by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: servo1969

If you’re carrying a firearm, don’t call attention to yourself! “Stupid is as stupid does!” If she’s an orthodox Jew and the government isn’t allowed to inspect her residence without her husband being present, how is it that she can attend and speak at a public forum without her husband being present? I don’t understand. Dealing with government-people requires than you be smarter than a box of rocks!


23 posted on 03/11/2013 9:34:51 AM PDT by old school
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To: PapaBear3625
this is how the complaint was written up by Clayton County Sergeant J. Dick

...name says it all.

24 posted on 03/11/2013 9:36:48 AM PDT by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: Durus

They don’t need to interview a bunch of witnesses if she made a threat openly in public.


25 posted on 03/11/2013 10:03:46 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
How did they know if she made the threats in public if they didn’t interview anyone?
26 posted on 03/11/2013 10:18:20 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus

Because they people in the meeting called it in.


27 posted on 03/11/2013 10:20:12 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: old school
It states quite clearly in the article that her husband and daughter were with her at the meeting. It also states quite clearly that she was not armed at the meeting with anything but her pocket constitution.

Maybe you should try reading the article before forming an opinion on the subject of the article?

28 posted on 03/11/2013 10:27:25 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: AppyPappy
“The people” at the meeting called it in? Who did? Were there multiple calls made? Was it the head of the company hired to access property taxes that she was questioning at the town meeting that called it in? Was it the town tax collector that purportedly told the accused to “sit down and shut up” one of the people who called the police?

If someone called the police and claimed John Smith made terroristic threat at a town meeting, should police arrest John Smith without determining if John Smith made any terroristic threats at a town meeting?

29 posted on 03/11/2013 10:34:26 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: servo1969

I know a lot of people who are simply afraid to speak up..they better learn to while they still can!


30 posted on 03/11/2013 10:34:41 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Durus

No but if you were in a meeting with a group and someone made threats involving guns, would you want the police to investigate?

The lack of data in the article usually means the data doesn’t support the story.


31 posted on 03/11/2013 10:52:10 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
Because they people in the meeting called it in.

You know this, how? Back it up please. If they did and it was reported, then the arrest was on the up and up.

32 posted on 03/11/2013 11:28:58 AM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: servo1969

What were the statements that were deemed threats, that were the basis for the law enforcement actions and why were they demanding to inspect her property? What was the background for all of this?


33 posted on 03/11/2013 11:33:54 AM PDT by Eva
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To: doorgunner69

Who did call it in?


34 posted on 03/11/2013 11:50:28 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: servo1969

It sounds as though New Jersey is trying to do new property tax assessments that require access to the property, rather than just a general reassessment based on market values. The up close assessment is most likely intended to look for permitting violations, which would potentially increase the value of the property.

In WA and many other states, they are using aerial photography to monitor permitting and storm water violations. They don’t do it in the cities, just the rural areas, where the assessor does not have access to the property. They also try to force small farm owners to sign what they call, farm plans, that grants access to the property by regulators and inspectors at any time. In WA State, tax assessors cannot enter a property without permission, must do their assessing from the street.


35 posted on 03/11/2013 11:52:49 AM PDT by Eva
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To: AppyPappy

That is what I asked you, since you seemed to know that it had been. The article just states some cop who was not there wrote it up.


36 posted on 03/11/2013 11:55:17 AM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: doorgunner69

So you don’t know who called it in.


37 posted on 03/11/2013 12:00:28 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
One more time, real slow for you, you posted this:

"Because they people in the meeting called it in."

I did not post that, you did. Answer your own question.

38 posted on 03/11/2013 12:04:22 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: doorgunner69

So who did call it in?

You don’t know. So why do you assume it was a baseless charge?

Because you want to believe it was a baseless charge.


39 posted on 03/11/2013 12:09:30 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

I would expect an investigation. I would not expect a person to be arrested from an accusation over the phone.


40 posted on 03/11/2013 12:11:28 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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