over penetration?
I didn’t read the article, but I understand that the conventional wisdom is wrong, and a 223 round is actually less likely to lethally penetrate walls than is buckshot.
Simply put, when defending against Bad Guys, you’re not allowed to kill the neighbors.
It’s considered Bad Form.
Indoors combat preference ...
Saiga 12k with two mags taped together - one with #7 bird shot, the other with 00 buck shot.
The situation determines which one to use, or you can flip them as needed.
So I guess that new 10mm I bought with the full power hardball ammo in it might be an overkill for a trailer park?
Shotgun slugs are REALLY dangerous in the sense of if you miss your target it can go through a few walls in your house, go over to the neighbor’s house, go through their wall and still kill them.
Yes 9mm has some reasonable potential for the same, just much less so. That is especially true if you don’t buy the more expensive rounds designed for defense.
I read a study a while back that showed the best overall in home defensive gun/ammo was a 12 guage with #1 buck. Maximum lethality with minimum potential for peripheral damage.
22LR in a handgun is an underated round as well.
I’ve thought of this problem too. I have a .357 loaded with .38s by my bed and there are 5 walls between my bed room and those of my children, I believe even a .38 could penetrate through all 5 of them, if it only went through the dry wall without hitting any wood. Am I wrong?
I learned to pay attention to shadows.
To differentiate between clouds moving overhead, Trees blowing in the wind and such.
I learned to differentiate between reflections passing my window by listening to hear if at the same time a car passed by or if the reflection was my dog by listening for his nails on the sidewalk.
That is something you pick up in battle.
That is something you pick up when you want to survive another day.
Yes, it is a bit paranoid but you have to be so if you want to survive in the VERY near future.
PAY ATTENTION to ANYTHING and EVERYTHING going on around you if you plan on surviving.
KNOW WHERE your weapons are at all times.
Anticipate which doors and enemy is most likely to barge through and if you can shoot through that door or wall and not hit a stud and deflect your bullet.
Think about it. Anticipate. Be creative in your mind.
Know whether you are going to stand behind a brick wall and shoot around the corner or if you are going to lay as flat as you can on the floor and let the bullets fly over your head.
Live to fight and protect yourself and your loved ones.
Get them thinking in this method also.
Hiding in the closet does nothing. Bullets can pass through many walls and if trapped in a small room with no exit your have no alternatives - and you will die.
Actually, in a self-defense shooting, overpenetration should be considered very strongly inside a dwelling. Many who purport to be prepared for such an encounter suggests that #00 buckshot in a short barrel 12 ga. shotgun is the best weapon for such an encounter. To the home invader with evil intent, this is certainly an efficient solution but to the other occupants of any dwelling (house, apartment, etc) it may be a deadly choice to the innocent. Dry wall will not stop #00 buckshot at 100 yards!
I will start an argument here: My personal choice is a Taurus Judge loaded with 3 PDX1 shells and 2 slugs. Deadly inside a room without fear of overpenetration into adjacent rooms for the first 3 shots. Is this a best choice? Let the argument begin.
I use Glaser safety slugs in my 44 Special and a combination 2- #4 shot Turkey Loads then 3- 00 buck in the 12 gauge.
The main thing that we teach in my class is that you can practice practice practce but you will never know what the scenario will be when faced with a life or death choice.
You won’t know where you’ll be’ you won’t know what you will be doing when it happens and it will happen when you are least prepared.
Of all the big caliber pistols I have and all the expensive rifle calibers from 5.56 up to 338 I have... if faced with an intruder in my hallway, I would skip all the $2000plus guns and grab my $450 mossberg 500 tactical 12ga.
Of course, I will never know what or when or where it will happen. But given a choice, in close quarters, the 12ga will always be the choice.
9 times out of 10 I am not even going to have a choice, but given a choice....
Anyone have experience with Glaser ammo?
I live alone. A sawed off shotgun loaded with 00 buckshot should pretty much cover the hallway.
Yes I also oppose laws dictating barrel length in the home.
I just noted that you posted a related subject on the same subject as I did. Please note them and we can compare notes.
ALSO - If we can bring others into the coversation (not just to talk) but TO PREPARE (SERIOUSLY PREPARE)>
Defenders tend to stand behind door openings..... Shoot waist high about 4 plus inches beyond the door frame. Shooters may be either standing or crouched behind the door opening. This way (4 plus inches) will get the best chance of hitting them.
If you aim higher and they are crouched over you will miss.
If they are either crouched over OR standing you have a MUCH greater chance of hitting them. A shot to the head or a shot to the gut is going to stop them.
Have your children and wife (yes, and even you) laying flat on the floor so that bullets fly over your head.
Also have an escape route planned The second you enter the room. Including jumping through a widow.
To jump through a window you will probably get cut but you can survive. Better yet - insure that your body impacts the glass FLAT that will push most of the glass out of the frame and minimize the cuts your will receive.
A glass cut is better than a bullet in the back or in the head.
If I were to get a dog. I'd disable the motion detector. The dog could replace that. However, I'd retain the alarms on doors and windows. I want to know immediately if the perimeter is breached.
My POV is that the best advantage you can get in a home invasion is by being at the end of a hallway, in a prone position with most of your body being in a dark room, and your weapon pointing up at average head height for an adult male entering the other side of the hallway.
Primary weapon is a large magazine firing .22 LR. Secondary weapon is a .357 with hardened steel core bullets, which I believe is currently illegal to sell, if not to own, so is probably a home load.
Here’s the logic.
The tactical advantage to being low and having the enemy come to you is that you get a huge, relative advantage of ID’ing them prior to a head, chest or belt buckle shot; or combination thereof; whereas they first have to see you, then lower their weapon to your much reduced profile.
If they are the typical Juan Tyrone, .22 LR will only have about a 40% chance of dead-on-the-floor, but unless they get him to a hospital and pump him full of about 1,000,000 of penicillin, he will get the notorious “.22 peritonitis” with a high probability for his demise within a week or two.
Personally, as long as they are incapacitated and going to die, I don’t mind when they do it, so I’m not going to fuss with any one shot kill or over-penetration worries.
The secondary weapon is in case Juan’s smarter cousin, Pedro Remora, is smart enough to buy or steal some slightly used police body armor, typically type IIa or II. I don’t want to be limited to just head and leg shots, when I can dog tag him. No other reason for the policia to know about that gun or its rounds.