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Psychiatrists to brand grief lasting longer than two weeks a mental illness
news.com.au ^ | 22 Feb 13 | Clifford Fram

Posted on 02/23/2013 10:54:26 AM PST by Drew68

THE grieving process is in danger of being branded a medical condition if a mourner feels sad for more than two weeks and consults a GP, according to an international authority on death and dying.

At present, mourners can feel sad for two months before being told they have a mental disorder, says Professor Dale Larson. Decades ago, a diagnosis could be made after a year.

In a keynote address at an Australian Psychological Society conference in Melbourne on Saturday, Prof Larson will express his anger about the American Psychiatric Association's new diagnostic manual, DSM 5, which is used in many countries including Australia and New Zealand.

The manual, to be published in May, allows a diagnosis of depression after two weeks of grieving.

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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

That was the idea but the inmates have since taken over the asylum and are now calling the shots. Now the old mental illnesses are called normal and those who aren’t abnormal are called nuts.


121 posted on 02/23/2013 3:45:12 PM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: Marcella
Psychiatrists write prescriptions - the LCSW counseled - she invested her time in helping your wife get better. Counseling someone is hard work - writing a prescription takes a minute.

Yea and she's made great progress. My wife faced the news of Thyroid cancer and the treatment like a champ. 11 years ago it would have been different.

18 years ago I was diagnosed with General Anxiety Disorder and PTSD. They hit me at the same time. Most anxiety disorders are from traumatic issues or phobic in nature. Mine I would discover about two years later was a life long neurological issue. Vestibular/Cerebellar induced anxiety disorder. The Inner Ear and the portions of the brain coordinating sensory processing become damaged. This in turn triggers anxiety and in my case seizure activity in the form of Myoclonic Seizures from auditory and visual stimulation. It's not curable and protocol antidepressant therapy many doctors use for G.A.D. and Panic Attacks can cause far greater harm because of the increase in sensory impulses. That is the last thing needed.

It takes Benzo class medications to treat this and Xanax is likely the best. Environmental modifications are a must. You have to limit exposures to triggers if possible. Such therapies as CBHT I think is the term won't work any more than hitting your hand with a hammer will eventually overcome pain.

Thanks to my LCSW I got through the PTSD in about five years. Once he understood I had Vestibular induced GAD I became a learning experience for him and Anxiety Disorders were his specialty.

Two years into this I found a book called Phobia Free by Harold Levinson MD. He is a research Neurologist and Psychiatrists. In the 1970's he discovered the neurological link between Vestibular Disorders and Anxiety Disorders as well as ADD ADHD a variant of sorts now called C.A.P.D. Early on even through the 1990's his writings on the subject ridiculed. His theories have been vindicated by Independent Vestibular Researchers. He was ahead of his time.

I indeed have a life ling Vestibular and sensory processing history. The last Psychiatrist I had about 10 years ago was the only one of five who would even consider this. He was also the one who got my meds right. Now my regular doctor writes the script.

122 posted on 02/23/2013 3:45:37 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: CodeToad

Seek mental help quickly.


123 posted on 02/23/2013 3:49:33 PM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: cva66snipe
Wow, bless your heart. I would assume you keep it pretty quiet at your house. Christmas before last, I had two relatives at my house and they wanted to go to a movie. I had not been to an actual movie theater in years. If I had been by myself, I would have left the theater - the volume was so high, it almost hurt. Surely, people who regularly go to movie houses, must have deceased hearing by now. I suggest you never go to a movie house, it is terrible.

Am I right that noise is a problem for you?

124 posted on 02/23/2013 3:57:39 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Drew68

Yet men who like to park their flesh swords in other men’s anal canals are not considered mentally ill......


125 posted on 02/23/2013 4:11:00 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: All

newsflash.. walking past an office that houses a mental health professional is now considered a mental disorder and will allow Obama to place your name on a list to keep you from buying guns.


126 posted on 02/23/2013 4:14:35 PM PST by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: USMCPOP; Conservativegreatgrandma

Thanks for your thoughts. There is a poem that means a lot to me, Footprints on your Heart. Some people come into our lives and leave footprints on our harts and we are never ever the same.

I had 40 years with my daughter, the last 5 she lived with me so have lots of memories. I also know I will see her in Heaven one day. Military families who have lost their young ones in a far off land didn’t have this chance. My heart grieves for them and I offer up prayers on their behalf. They are the true warriors.


127 posted on 02/23/2013 4:16:35 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Marcella
Yea noises are the main culprit and just certain frequencies. Any loud sudden noises is a trigger though. But my forst attack was while driving but I was driving an old 78 Chevy K-5. My initial attacks were the full blown Brain Fog attacks of the where the heck am I type. The seizure activity started amonth or two later. I know how to head those type off now I don't let it get that out of control. But I was loosing concentration abilities before that and having sudden weakness doing things like climbing stairs. My brain was not getting the message to expend more energy. I would have to tell myself climb the stairs.

Kids who have had sinus allergies or chronic ear infections are at risk for this down the road. Not to this extent but at least to some extent. Our technology advances IMO is the main driving culprit behind the supposed ADD ADHD epidemic. The kids likely have C.A.P.D. but the noises and visual stimulation unprecidented until the past 20 or so years is wreaking Havoc and most persons do not even know what is doing it to them. Professionals aren't making the obvious link.

I can walk into a busy Walmart and I can pick them out LOL. The shoppers with the deer in headlights look or the ones becoming agiated minute by minute are likely Vestibular patients. That's why we shop very late at night. Don't get me wrong I get out and about daily. But I pick the times and places. I can run into a store now and grab a few items and get out OK but I can't do the monthly shopping during busy times. I'll leave the stuff sitting because it confuses me so.

By the Grace Of GOD when my wife and I have needed answers about our conditions they were given us. By The Grace Of GOD when my wife went pyschotic and was halicunating thinking she was Tess on Touched BY An Angel I did something six doctors did not. I looked up Zoloft and Trazadone +adverse reactions. The answers came real fast even down to the teaching hospitals pharmacology professors article on Serotonin Syndrome. Convincing the doctors was a different matter. She still has partial amnesia. They actually took her off the meds in the hospital then a Psychiatrist who never saw her before put her back on Zolot. An hour after the pil she was in Serotonin Syndrome again.

She is also a quadriplegic of 28 years. We married after the fact a second marrigae for both of us. Her previous marriage was physically abusive. Less than a year before I met my wife now I had lost my first wife to a massive heart attack at age 23. Thus a major factor leading to my PTSD and a few more very unsettling traumatic events we both faced in a short time.

Ten years later my brain said enough. It was dealing with the Cognitive corrections of my Vestibular and sensory issues. That is unnoticed stress the brain is under all the time. It got compounded by the other events and my brain couldn't juggle it anymore. Like a computer processing task above it's rated capacity it froze up and crashed LOL.

128 posted on 02/23/2013 4:27:28 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Drew68

Now that the federal gubmint has access to all of your medical records they will know that since you have grieved longer than the allotted time after the death of a loved one you have a mental disability and hence not perrmitted to possess firearms.


129 posted on 02/23/2013 4:31:25 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Drew68

Queer behavior is normal, though, right?

IMO, holding a degree in psychiatry is a mental illness.


130 posted on 02/23/2013 4:44:53 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats--the party of Evil. Republicans--the party of Stupid.)
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To: John W

Like six million sent to the gas chambers?


131 posted on 02/23/2013 4:58:14 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: cva66snipe
Hmm, I think I would wear ear muffs when I had to go to the grocery and I would never go in Walmart. That place is loud. I go to a Kroger a block away from my house and it's quiet with older people there and never any kids in there running around.

Well, you and your wife have had more medical crap to put up with than most people. It's a good thing you are smart so you can figure out what's wrong and do something about it. Good wishes to you,
Marcella

132 posted on 02/23/2013 5:06:39 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Drew68
Unfortunately our leaders here in the USA would do anything to take away our guns.
They will even try to evolve the standards of mental illness to meet the
goal of disarming us all, one by one. The creeping of regulations and unwritten
laws will over take us like a boiled frog.
133 posted on 02/23/2013 5:12:45 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: Marcella
The Vestibular issue is a blessing and a curse LOL. I'm at 50% plus hearing loss now. That has been a gradual thing. So I turn down my hearing aids when I have too LOL. But I still have to communicate with my wife when we shop or if I'm by myself & I leave her at home by herself I have to hear my cell phone. She is not full quad. She has use of hands and arms.

I wouldn't have figured out a lot of this without help both from GOD and from reliable websites. I've helped a couple of cousins who developed the anxiety part of it as well as my dad. The neurological issue seems to be one of genetics. My dad was almost what would be termed a social phobic. He didn't dislike people as such but rather disliked being around crowds. Like me in crowded situations even at family gatherings he could only tolerate so much background noise. You hear people talking but trying to pick out any given conversation of follow one is difficult. You can have perfect hearing as far as that goes and still have the interpretation issues.

134 posted on 02/23/2013 5:22:08 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Marcella

BTW I did lern another thing in Levinsons book. In most cases a persons fear of heights is a symptom of Vestibular Issus. It is the brains internal correction and self preservation that demands a rsponse to the danger it sees. IThe brain senses lack of balance. In my case I had to take two years Occuoational therapy as a kid for eye/muscle coordination. I have poor balnce to the point of using a cane now. But I’ve always had a fear of heights even before they knew about the coordination issues.


135 posted on 02/23/2013 5:27:11 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Grams A
My cousin, that I grew up with, was killed about 30 years ago and while I didn't outwardly grieve for years, it still probably took me about 25 years to actually, "get over it".

God bless you and you will see your daughter again someday.

136 posted on 02/23/2013 6:02:07 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma (The perfect is the enemy of the good..............Voltaire)
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To: Marcella

The psychiatrists. Everybody grieving over two weeks is a potential new patient.


137 posted on 02/23/2013 6:36:35 PM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: piytar

I think he needs a shrink....


138 posted on 02/23/2013 7:49:05 PM PST by G Larry
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To: CodeToad
Let’s get this straight: You are claiming mental health experts are contrary to religious beliefs, which is a complete falsehood.

No, I am NOT. YOU called G Larry an idiot and implied he was a "born again" nutcase for suggesting that faith in God was a valid way to deal with grief.

To you next "point":

What you are backing up is that people that seek mental health help should really just forget about mental health treatments and go get more into religion instead, that all our military service members returning home and in need of some help should just shut the Hell up and go get a Bible instead, that they somehow lack your narcissistic level of faith and that’s their only problem.

Wow. Just plain delusional. May I suggest that YOU seek true counseling from mental health professionals? Seriously. You are WAY out there. Please don't hurt yourself or others. PLEASE.

139 posted on 02/24/2013 2:32:37 AM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: G Larry
I think he needs a shrink....

Yup. Seriously. Scary delusion/projection/anger at play there.

140 posted on 02/24/2013 2:35:40 AM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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