Posted on 02/02/2013 9:52:39 AM PST by lowbridge
The idea of expanded background checks for prospective gun owners is quickly becoming the battleground in Congress for any changes in national weapons control legislation.
March On Washington Source: WikicommonsIn nearly a dozen national polls from varying organizations, an overwhelming large number of people seem in favor of more background checks on gun owners.
A Quinnipiac poll covering three states, Virginia, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania, showed that more than 90 percent of those polled favored expanding background checks to people who buy weapons at gun shows.
Last week, Constitution Daily looked at polling questions on guns from nine different sources, including Fox News, NBC, ABC, Pew Research, and Gallup.
On average, 89 percent of those people polled wanted expanded background checks. The background check issue, along with a desire to devote more resources to mental health issues, were the two ideas that had overwhelmingly large support in the polls.
At Wednesday’s gun violence hearings in Washington, the National Rifle Association and a key GOP senator downplayed the significance of expanding background checks.
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They are already doing it according to some sources.
So they say. And we should believe them because...?
My point is that thety have shown they have no compunction that an ATF could walk into a gun store, say in Arizona, and ask to review the Forms. They have done this and it has been reported here.. Luckily more experienced employees did not comply because it is illegal, but they (government) TRIED!
Obama and his administration, BTW he controls ATF, DHS, TSA, et al, ignore the immigration laws on a daily basis.
Obama and his administration ignored Federal Bankruptcy Law in robbing the premium bond holders in GM.
Obama and his administration ignored Federal Law in directing BP to establish a damage fund of $10B and pay claims before any fault or legal action had been taken.
Obama and his administration ignored the Constitution regarding his submission of a federal budget, blah blah blah blah blah.....blah....
Do I have to go on?
Anyone who cannot be trusted to own and carry arms should not be running around loose!
Show me even a single gun which has been used in a mass shooting purchased at a gun show.
They can go F themselves.
The only way to enforce universal background checks is through gun registration. I’m sure thats what Barry and company are aiming for. I cannot imagine it getting through Congress. If it did everyone would just ignore it anyway.
See my earlier post. If you believe the ATF or other gov’t agencies are violating the law already, then what difference does it make what the law is?
You are on a different plane.
Hi Dave...
I am puzzled by your comment about federal law preventing registration.
A few years ago I had a couple weapons ripped off, needed to file police report, insurance claim and so on...
As I was traveling I simply called the retail outlet where I had purchased them a year or two prior and they were able to look up my serial numbers, etc.
To my understanding (I could be wrong) they used my background check records to do so...does that sound unlikely to you?
Huh? We have background checks today on all sales from dealers. They check against a list of prohibited people. They don't need registration to do this. You make no sense.
The records of the sale remain with the dealer. They can be access by law enforcement only for legitimate purposes, like a weapon recovered in a crime.
The records do not go to a centralized place. They are not computerized. They are not available to the gov’t to use as it sees fit.
On the other end of the phone, the information from the FBI background check is purged. No record is kept of the names being queried. No permanent records, no computerization, not access to gov’t agencies. Nothing exists after the check is complete.
If the feds have any access to 4473 after the check has been approved or denied, then it’s registration. Those forms are supposed to be destroyed.
I take your word for it, though it seems odd that a big retailer would sit with thousands of purchase records on hand.
Also, though I know you are giving the facts, I also know that some branch of law enforcement could cook up reasons to look into almost anything.
Here’s my real question, however: for all these years I have considered it advantageous to purchase from private parties, precisely because there would be NO records to be accessed.
So is that supposed advantage far overstated?
Thanks much Dave...
What do you mean? That all of the federal firearms licensees are breaking the law by keeping these forms?
It’s definitely an advantage. But not an option in my state.
I think the main point is that having an “undocumented” weapon in a confiscation scenario would be an advantage. But if we get to the point where the gov’t is going to all FFLs and confiscating their records so they can sweep through towns to take all private arms, we have reached a turning point.
The gov’t moving to begin confiscating weapons would be a declaration of war.
20,000 gun laws on the books already.
NO MORE LAWS OR REGULATIONS!
NONE!
Don’t give a G-D inch on anything!
Most people don’t even know what a gun show is, and have no idea what is meant by the phrase “gun show loophole”.
They think that dealers can sell at a gunshow without doing background checks, which is false.
Ask people if they think they should have to pay for a background check to sell a gun to a friend or relative, or to inherit one from their parent. THAT is the same thing as the “gun show loophole”.
“Why is that?” (a universal background check would have implement universal registration for it to be possible.)
Think about it. How do you enforce the requirement that private sellers have to participate in a background check?
The only way it will work is for the government to maintain a record of what guns you own and a record of what you bought and sold. Every state that has a universal background checks has registration.
BTW, this universal background check is the old gun show loophole. Their last attempt to close it was designed to impose such legal liabilities upon gun show promoters as to put them out of business.
One can only hope so.
That's the only way? You couldn't just run stings? I think so.
Every state that has a universal background checks has registration.
Not true. There is no registration in PA and all sales have to go through a dealer. Except to family.
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