I hear that never happens in the Catholic Church.
Posted on 02/01/2013 6:35:24 AM PST by TSgt
BTW..see #26..only makes it more confusing, since I don't understand how an Archbishop can discipline a Cardinal..
FYI..I am Anglican, and we have plenty of problems of our own..
The Catholic church attracts the attention of the worst in this world. That's where the fight is gonna be; that's where I'LL be.
I hear that never happens in the Catholic Church.
What happened?
No, I want to know if you think that Priest lied.
Sex abuse is so prevalent in the Catholic church and so hidden that I have to wonder if some haven’t been told it is okay.
“That’s nonsense, RummyChick, since the CDF was only put in charge of sex abuse cases in 2001,”
NOT TRUE
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/02/world/europe/02pope.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
“The office led by Cardinal Ratzinger, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, had actually been given authority over sexual abuse cases nearly 80 years earlier, in 1922, documents show and canon lawyers confirm. But for the two decades he was in charge of that office, the future pope never asserted that authority, failing to act even as the cases undermined the church’s credibility in the United States, Australia, Ireland and elsewhere.”
Crimen Sollicitationis
http://www.richardsipe.com/Doyle/2008/2008-10-03-Commentary%20on%201922%20and%201962%20documents.pdf
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/goodfather/vatican.html
“Father Tom Doyle, a leading canon law expert in the U.S., says the mere existence of Crimen sollicitationis proves that “the highest Catholic Church authorities were aware of the especially grave nature of clergy sexual crimes.””
Clergy sexual abuse issues are handled by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, a major department of the Vatican administration. This has been the case since the 18th century although the name of the present congregation has been changed twice during this period. It was first known as the Congregation of the Holy Inquisition. It later became known as the Congregation of the Holy Office and after Vatican II, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Cardinal Ratzinger, presently Pope Benedict XIV, had been the prefect, or head, since 1981. Although he signed the letter containing the revised norms and quite possibly had a direct role in drafting it, the procedures themselves had to be approved or promulgated by the Pope for validity and effect.
http://www.votf.org/vineyard/Oct5_2006/bbc.html
Meanwhile, we Catholics will try our best to hold the line.
Enjoy your hobby.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/pope-led-coverup-of-child-abuse-by-priests-7220621.html
“Patrick Wall, a former Vatican-approved enforcer of the Crimen Sollicitationis in America, tells the programme: “I found out I wasn’t working for a holy institution, but an institution that was wholly concentrated on protecting itself.”
And Father Tom Doyle, a Vatican lawyer until he was sacked for criticising the church’s handling of child abuse claims, says: “What you have here is an explicit written policy to cover up cases of child sexual abuse by the clergy and to punish those who would call attention to these crimes by the churchmen.
“When abusive priests are discovered, the response has been not to investigate and prosecute but to move them from one place to another. So there’s total disregard for the victims and for the fact that you are going to have a whole new crop of victims in the next place. This is happening all over the world.””
Indeed, the Bridgeport Diocese is a good reflection of this concept.
A person who was kicked out of the seminary for being unfit to be a priest in New York was hired into a Parish that had Adam Lanza as a little boy.
The twisted Priest was eventually deflocked...but not before he did a lot of damage...possibly even to Lanza himself.
Egan, in charge of the diocese, has commented that he didn’t see that he did anything wrong.
His confidant was recently outed as a Drug Dealing Transvestite Priest who owned a Porn Video Store.
Any of you that claim Ratzinger didn’t have authority over sexual abuse cases for decades need to read this:
It is disappointing --- though perhaps not surprising -- that you would rely on the New York Times and its anti-Church allies for your interpretation of Canon Law: the Times, which has been promoting the moral/doctrinal dissenters and trashing the real heroes of the Church (and by this, yes, I mean Pope Benedict) from Day One. Next you'll be quoting Laurie Goodstein to me; or Maureen Dowd.
If you want to know where to go for honest, knowledgeable, morally upright reporting, try John Allen Jr. weekly HERE and daily HERE, Phil Lawler at Catholic World Report, and Canon Lawyer Ed Peters at the "In the Light of the Law" Canon Law blog.
The New York Times has lied so consistently about Catholic matters, I wouldn't believe their page numbers unless I counted them myself.
I favor going after the abusers with hammer and tongs because of their despicable crimes. There is plenty of blame to go around, including "therapists" who have naively claimed that predators were fully "rehabilitated" and fit for pastoral work, and Bishops who obstructed justice and suborned perjury.
It is characteristic of the NY Times and many other enemies of Christ, however, to slander the innocent while shielding the guilty. Perhaps I should not be shocked that there are FReepers who go along with this without an ounce of critical judgment. Perhaps I should patiently explain to you that going to the Times for an inerpretation of "Crimen sollicitationis" is like going to Ruth Bader Ginsberg about the Constitution, or the U.N. about Israel, or Bill Maher about the Tea Party. Do you really not know what the New York Times and its thousand secularist allies are doing here?
You do realize that "Crimen sollicitationis" was about solicitation for crimes during the Sacrament of Penance? It had everyting to do with canonical investigation, and nothing to do with secular criminal prosecution. Nothing in Canon Law ever discouraged or prohibited cooperting with secular law enforcement. You should know that, since it was explained in the very article you linked.
I thank God for the real, staunchly truthful, fact-based opponents of the Judas priests and crooked chanceries --- morally straight, conscientious writers like Phil Lawler.
On the other hand, as for FReepers who don't have the prudence to double-check sources which are platforms for the abortionist, homosexualist and feminist lobbies: well, I am certainly disappointed.
AGAIN
Since the time of The Inquisition the CDF (and it’s former names) have had jurisidiction over sex abuse claims.
Mrs. Don-o,
You’re doing excellent work here!
Why do you abhor Pope Benedict? Just because he represents the Catholic Church?
Or because he is guided by Christ and the Holy Spirit?
Oh, what a falsehood.
Sexual Abuse of Children by Protestant Ministers
Report: Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year
Abuse by Protestant Ministers of Every Denomination
Child Sexual Molestation by Various Protestant Clergy
"Yeshiva" of Brooklyn also Guilty of Child Abuse
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Teachers and Pedophilia - In YOUR Backyard
Washington Post -- D.C. school officials reported 220 abuse allegations against teachers
Sex Abuse by Teachers Said Worse Than Catholic Church
WHEN BOYS ARE MOLESTED BY TEACHERS AND OTHERS IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY
Forgotten Study: Abuse in School 100 Times Worse than by Priests
Too often, problem teachers are allowed to leave quietly. That can mean future abuse for another student and another school district.It’s a dynamic so common it has its own nicknames—“passing the trash” or the “mobile molester.”
Excellent.
God bless you. You’ve done more than you know.
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