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Modesty in Ultra-Orthodox Brooklyn Is Enforced by Secret Squads
The New York Times ^ | January 30th, 2013 | Joseph Berger

Posted on 01/30/2013 4:11:39 AM PST by KantianBurke

In the close-knit world of ultra-Orthodox Judaism, community members know the modesty rules as well as Wall Street bankers who show up for work in a Brooks Brothers suit. Women wear long skirts and long-sleeved, high-necked blouses on the street; men do not wear Bermuda shorts in summer. Schools prescribe the color and thickness of girls’ stockings.

The rules are spoken and unspoken, enforced by social pressure but also, in ways that some find increasingly disturbing, by the modesty committees. Their power is evident in the fact that of the half dozen women’s clothing stores along Lee Avenue, only one features mannequins, and those are relatively shapeless, fully clothed torsos.

“There are quite a few men, especially in Williamsburg, who consider themselves Gut’s polizei,” said Yosef Rapaport, a Hasidic journalist, using the words for “God’s police.”

“It’s somebody who is a busybody, and they’re quite a few of them — zealots who take it upon themselves and they just enforce. They’re considered crazy, but people don’t want to confront them.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; US: New York
KEYWORDS: jews; judaism; leavemealone; satmar; zealots
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This is why the 2nd Amendment is so important. Any religious kook from the Vice and Virtue Ministry comes to my door and threatens me or my family, they're going to be introduced to Mr. Smith & Wesson.
1 posted on 01/30/2013 4:11:47 AM PST by KantianBurke
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To: KantianBurke

Yet not a peep about TROP and dress/morality codes.

PROPAGNDA


2 posted on 01/30/2013 4:21:42 AM PST by paint_your_wagon
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To: paint_your_wagon

This IS the NY Slimes! Could you expect anything less?


3 posted on 01/30/2013 4:28:59 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: paint_your_wagon

Exactly. Ignore Sharia enforcers (no problems there) and focus on the Jooooos.


4 posted on 01/30/2013 4:39:03 AM PST by rbg81
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To: paint_your_wagon

That is true.


5 posted on 01/30/2013 4:40:05 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: paint_your_wagon

Fanatics are fanatics. The ultra-Orthodox community keeps its people under very tight control, and, probably inspired by Islam, it’s getting worse. There have been a couple of major child molesting cases there where no one denied the guilt of the perpetrators (rabbis) but instead publicly attacked the child victims and said they must have been dressing provocatively (!), etc. These modesty squads burst into people’s houses and tear up their closets looking for “immodest” clothing and function exactly like the Saudi religious police. But the residents of these communities, even though they’re living in America, don’t dare to complain.


6 posted on 01/30/2013 4:40:25 AM PST by livius
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To: paint_your_wagon

What difference is there between these people and the Taliban? Not much from where I’m sitting.


7 posted on 01/30/2013 4:57:50 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: KantianBurke

So you’re gonna shoot someone who tells you not to wear shorts?

really?

The 2nd amendment isn’t about the clothes police, or hunting, or target shooting.


8 posted on 01/30/2013 5:17:15 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

The Taliban will cut your head off, is that what these busybodies do?


9 posted on 01/30/2013 5:19:03 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: paint_your_wagon

Yep, NYT propaganda, yet people keep reading the PoS and posting the BS from there..... A better approach would be posting who their advertisers are, and attacking them until the NYT is gone.


10 posted on 01/30/2013 5:27:41 AM PST by wrencher
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To: KantianBurke

As someone with a libertarian bent and fiscal conservative it would bother me big time if someone on welfare(and many of these people are in Israel and USA) would tell me how to dress.


11 posted on 01/30/2013 5:39:16 AM PST by apoliticalone
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So you’re gonna shoot someone who tells you not to wear shorts?

I might, but only if knocking their front teeth down their throat didn't work.
12 posted on 01/30/2013 5:43:57 AM PST by ZX12R
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Wait a minute. The NYT has a double-standard? They sound like liberals.


13 posted on 01/30/2013 5:45:46 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: KantianBurke

This is hard to believe. Brooklyn Jews can’t be this easy to bully.

If some sky pilot was to get in my face about my manner of dress, he’d be wearing a fist.


14 posted on 01/30/2013 5:47:42 AM PST by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

That’s precisely what the NYTimes is attempting to insinuate- moral equivalency between the Jews and Muslims.


15 posted on 01/30/2013 5:53:02 AM PST by xsmommy
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I realize that everybody is out to get 'da jooooooos' ... and Jewish people never do any wrong ... (or so it appears, from the comments some folks post on this forum) ... but I wonder if this:

The groups have long been a part of daily life in the ultra-Orthodox communities that dot Brooklyn and other corners of the Jewish world. But they sprang into public view with the trial of Nechemya Weberman, a prominent member of the Satmar Hasidim in Brooklyn, who last week was sentenced to 103 years in prison after being convicted of sexually abusing a young girl sent to him for counseling.

might have more to do with this story appearing in the Slimes than some underhanded plot to slander 'da joooooos' by comparing them to the mohammedans.

I also wonder if there's some sort of 'modesty police' thing going on in the Orthodox Jewish areas of Los Angeles. Drive through La Brea some time, if you don't know what I mean. There seems to be the same extreme dress code there.

16 posted on 01/30/2013 5:59:32 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: KantianBurke

So women dressing modestly is evil, but women dressing like whores in a “Slut Walk” is to be admired. This is the Progressive swamp the NYTimes has brought us and they can’t STAND that these religious Jews refuse to wallow in it. Well I say good for them.


17 posted on 01/30/2013 6:02:29 AM PST by montag813
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To: montag813

Forcing women to dress modestly is evil.


18 posted on 01/30/2013 6:05:45 AM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: 1010RD

:-)


19 posted on 01/30/2013 6:07:26 AM PST by Bainbridge
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To: KantianBurke
This is why the 2nd Amendment is so important. Any religious kook from the Vice and Virtue Ministry comes to my door and threatens me or my family, they're going to be introduced to Mr. Smith & Wesson

C'mon...don't fall for the Slimes propaganda. They are mixing in modesty codes in Brooklyn with a home break-in 50 miles away in the Monsey, NY suburbs, and even throw in a convicted child abuser for good measure. They DESPISE Jews who are observant instead of being depraved homos who shill for Obama like the Secular "Jews" who work at the Times.

20 posted on 01/30/2013 6:12:15 AM PST by montag813
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