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Modesty in Ultra-Orthodox Brooklyn Is Enforced by Secret Squads
The New York Times ^ | January 30th, 2013 | Joseph Berger

Posted on 01/30/2013 4:11:39 AM PST by KantianBurke

In the close-knit world of ultra-Orthodox Judaism, community members know the modesty rules as well as Wall Street bankers who show up for work in a Brooks Brothers suit. Women wear long skirts and long-sleeved, high-necked blouses on the street; men do not wear Bermuda shorts in summer. Schools prescribe the color and thickness of girls’ stockings.

The rules are spoken and unspoken, enforced by social pressure but also, in ways that some find increasingly disturbing, by the modesty committees. Their power is evident in the fact that of the half dozen women’s clothing stores along Lee Avenue, only one features mannequins, and those are relatively shapeless, fully clothed torsos.

“There are quite a few men, especially in Williamsburg, who consider themselves Gut’s polizei,” said Yosef Rapaport, a Hasidic journalist, using the words for “God’s police.”

“It’s somebody who is a busybody, and they’re quite a few of them — zealots who take it upon themselves and they just enforce. They’re considered crazy, but people don’t want to confront them.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; US: New York
KEYWORDS: jews; judaism; leavemealone; satmar; zealots
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To: paint_your_wagon

NY Slimes gotta create equivalency between Jewish community leaders and the Saudi religious police. Scumbags!


21 posted on 01/30/2013 6:22:43 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ZX12R

And as soon as you tried to do that I would shoot you dead, meat on the street.

Talking isn’t assault and doesn’t warrant deadly force.


22 posted on 01/30/2013 6:23:03 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: KantianBurke

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23 posted on 01/30/2013 6:30:21 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Bozo man can :-)
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To: KantianBurke

Lemme guess... This is publicity the next “reality” show, based on the popular ‘Amish Mafia’ series. Except with fundie jewish guys...


24 posted on 01/30/2013 6:31:36 AM PST by Kenton (Wounded Warrior Project, a charity worth supporting - Donate today.)
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To: driftdiver

Make no mistake, the semi-literate panic buyers of guns and ammo are just as likely to hunt and kill Jews when the SHTF as they are to confront jack-booted government thugs.

In recent years, several prominent Israeli kabbalists have begged Jews to leave America while they can do so in comfortable circumstances because the circumstances are going to suddenly change.


25 posted on 01/30/2013 7:26:27 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: KantianBurke
say some store owners have received rough verbal warnings from a modesty committee to stop selling magazines that carry photographs considered too revealing, or articles that dispute the Satmar Hasidim’s belief that Israel should not have existed until the Messiah’s arrival.

FINALLY at the very end of the article we learn that these are those anti-Israel nut jobs who used to visit Arafat, yet for most of the piece the author makes us think this represents "ultra-Orthodox Jews is Brooklyn".

26 posted on 01/30/2013 7:37:48 AM PST by montag813
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To: livius; ArrogantBustard
Fanatics are fanatics. The ultra-Orthodox community keeps its people under very tight control, and, probably inspired by Islam, it’s getting worse.

The simple fact is that Judaism is closer to islam than it is to chrstianity because it is a statutory rather than a salvational religion. That's why I don't pile on in all those threads chrstian FReepers post about how good old "Judaeo-chrstian" friendship will triumph over mean nasty islam with all its rules. How dare G-d tell people how to live!

One of chrstianity's many problems (and it has several) is that it threw over (at least in part) statutory for salvational religion. Left wing social religion could not have developed without this first great error. The western "enlightenment" chrstian conservatives champion against islam (but not against chrstianity) is part of the problem. If "western civilization" had practiced a purely statutory religion things would probably not have gone south this fast.

I realize that everybody is out to get 'da jooooooos' ... and Jewish people never do any wrong ... (or so it appears, from the comments some folks post on this forum) ...

That's funny, since Jewish FReepers do considerably less whining and crying "bigotry" on this forum than do Catholics.

27 posted on 01/30/2013 7:59:39 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

“What difference is there between these people and the Taliban? Not much from where I’m sitting.”

The Taliban seek everyone to convert to Islam and force people violently to follow their ways.

These groups have no desire to convert anyone and only enforce their rules non-violently against voluntary members of their rare sub-cults.

Further, these isolated idiots are just that : isolatd idiots who have no standing in the larger Jewish community. About as representative of the Jewish people as that kooky church that celebrates at funerals is representative of Christians.

If you can’t see a differece, you’re a moron.


28 posted on 01/30/2013 8:35:55 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I’m with you, elder brother. Every word. Also, I believe the practices and statutes of God’s People mean something more to God than to the general Western population. There is an increasing Americanized abhorrence for religious “rules and regulations and religious community, and we’re all called “Pharisees”.

Though I of course do not understand how many layers of blinders my Jewish friends must require, or layers of ear flaps it must take to avoid seeing and hearing that their Messiah has come with their salvation and mine.

I mean God Himself drew pictures, in crayon, in your Book, so we stiff necked Jews and Gentiles would recognize Him in the rest of the Book.
I believe we Catholics and Jews have favor and share the same destiny, remnant though it may be.

Not to say that, by God’s Mercy, others can’t lumber in late, at 5:00, having done no work or very little, like me, and seek Mercy.

God’s speed, and hang right in there


31 posted on 01/30/2013 8:53:24 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Yehuda; livius
“These modesty squads burst into people’s houses and tear up their closets looking for “immodest” clothing and function exactly like the Saudi religious police. “

Well, at least they don't take your guns.

32 posted on 01/30/2013 10:03:41 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (What difference does it make (if they eat cake)?)
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To: AppyPappy
Forcing women to dress modestly is evil.

Remember the good old evil days, back when they used to put skirts on piano legs ?

33 posted on 01/30/2013 10:05:38 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (What difference does it make (if they eat cake)?)
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To: KantianBurke
But I would be willing to bet that most (70-80%) of the Ultra-Orthodox Jews STILL voted for 0dumb0shit & other liberal turd demoRATs like Schumer or RINO/demoRAT Bloomberg!

Quite honestly, most of the Jews in this country are dumber than bricks, no matter how much education or credentials they have, based on the fact that they vote for the liberal/socialist/fascist/communist demoRAT party that would send these Jews to the gas chamber in a heartbeat if they could.

34 posted on 01/30/2013 10:23:46 AM PST by rcrngroup
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To: KantianBurke

More Jew-hating filth from the NY Fishwrap. One notes not a word about stoning/hanging/burning alive women who dress incorrectly in the wonderful utopia of Arab Sharia.


35 posted on 01/30/2013 11:37:42 AM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: livius
I don't know where you got your supposed "information" but basically, you're full of beans. The Chassidic community does NOT have people who burst into peoples' houses. And, since Judaism predated Islam, how were they "inspired by Islam"?

Stop embarrassing yourself by peddling half-truths and shut the h@ll up.

36 posted on 01/30/2013 11:55:56 AM PST by EinNYC
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To: KantianBurke; metmom; boatbums; presently no screen name; Springfield Reformer; CynicalBear; ...

I think these are part of a sect seeking to live as a theocracy, and are only going into the houses of those who agree to be part of it, and while not sanctioning this means, yet adherents of liberalism would like to take away your guns, and your children as well if your religion or ideology is opposed to them (for your own good of course), as that is intolerable to them.

As far as modestly is concerned, the modern lack of it is a result of liberalism that rejects traditional Christian morality - which basically was much reflected in its laws - and results in larger and more intrusive government, and that of a progressively immoral kind as a post-Christian populace is deceived by their sophistry promoting their destructive ethos.

While even an atheist can be a relatively good person (but like Christians, not good enough for Heaven but in need of Christ), ultimately Divine influences on the heart of man are necessary if he will not be ruled from without.

Robert Winthrop (May 12, 1809 – November 16, 1894), and Speaker of the House from 1838 to 1840, and later president of the Massachusetts Bible Society, explained that, “Men, in a word, must necessarily be controlled, either by a power within them, or by a power without them; either by the Word of God, or by the strong arm of man; either by the Bible or the bayonet.


37 posted on 01/30/2013 12:20:49 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
One of chrstianity's many problems (and it has several) is that it threw over (at least in part) statutory for salvational religion. Left wing social religion could not have developed without this first great error. The western "enlightenment" chrstian conservatives champion against islam (but not against chrstianity) is part of the problem. If "western civilization" had practiced a purely statutory religion things would probably not have gone south this fast.

Except for the fact that the most damaging movements against Western Civilization, such as the Frankfurt School of Interdisciplinary Social Theory, have been of primarily Jewish origin.

40 posted on 01/30/2013 2:00:26 PM PST by Hacksaw
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